Statistics and scoring - Page 3

em99010pepe · 2008-02-05, 09:50

For now use the stats from Anon's post.

Remember I few posts behind I said it was necessary to credit by k/n pair tested? I was already thinking of the LLRNet server...I hope this will be done with Lars and Bok help.

Results so far in the attachment...

kar_bon · 2008-02-05, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by em99010pepe

For now use the stats from Anon's post.

Remember I few posts behind I said it was necessary to credit by k/n pair tested? I was already thinking of the LLRNet server...I hope this will be done with Lars and Bok help.

Results so far in the attachment...

so another stats would be necessary? that's too much to handle!
only for the shown ranges on Drive #1 and Drive #2 (only 30k of 260k to 600k) there are more than 350,000 candidates. every k/n-pair to be credited for a member is too much work.

my suggestion see post #19!

2 primes for IronBits already credited and the ranges completed goes to LLRnet in general!

em99010pepe · 2008-02-05, 10:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by kar_bon

so another stats would be necessary? that's too much to handle!
only for the shown ranges on Drive #1 and Drive #2 (only 30k of 260k to 600k) there are more than 350,000 candidates. every k/n-pair to be credited for a member is too much work.

my suggestion see post #19!

2 primes for IronBits already credited and the ranges completed goes to LLRnet in general!

You can't credit the ranges for LLRNet when it is a group of members from different teams...it's a mistake.Please take off LLRNet from your contributors stats table. Look at RS5 PRP, PSP PRP and RieselSieve LLR stats...

kar_bon · 2008-02-05, 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by em99010pepe

You can't credit the ranges for LLRNet when it is a group of members from different teams...it's a mistake.Please take off LLRNet from your contributors stats table. Look at RS5 PRP, PSP PRP and RieselSieve LLR stats...

what's the purpose of that link?
there is no project for 'NPLB' so no credits for your team 'Free-DC' for work done at NPLB!
we haven't any other teams here, so why stats for teams and team-members?

Karsten

em99010pepe · 2008-02-05, 16:23

The purpose of that link is to teach you that it is possible to create some stats for LLRNet server.
With team support we well bring more computing power to the project because competition between teams will start. Who gains with this all? NPLB. You can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

"There is no project for 'NPLB' so no credits for your team 'Free-DC' for work done at NPLB!" You sound like a silly child, do you want me to be like you and shut down all servers? Nha nha nha nha nha...Oh Lord, grow up!

Carlos

kar_bon · 2008-02-05, 16:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by em99010pepe

The purpose of that link is to teach you that it is possible to create some stats for LLRNet server.
With team support we well bring more computing power to the project because competition between teams will start. Who gains with this all? NPLB. You can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

So see post #1 : Open questions: your team is there, but there's no sense if this is the only team!!! if there's more than one team i can make another team scoring table!
and the scoring is counting the processed k/n-pairs?

Quote:

Originally Posted by em99010pepe

"There is no project for 'NPLB' so no credits for your team 'Free-DC' for work done at NPLB!" You sound like a silly child, do you want me to be like you and shut down all servers? Nha nha nha nha nha...Oh Lord, grow up!

this is no base of discussion. please be gentle and make suggestions and we see, if others will make their opinions about this. point.

tnerual · 2008-02-05, 17:00

the fact is that a LOT of people are doing those kind of stuff not for the beauty of primes (or the beauty of the SETI@home graph) but to be first in the stats ... and to help their team to climb up the stats whatever kind of project it is (majestic12 is, in my opinion, a stupid one for example)

if you can attract 2 (or more) teams for a "fight" then you will attract 40-50 hitters (and not the "smallest ones"), totalizings terahertz of power ...

they will play, stressing the server during one week or one month ...

and after some time, they will switch to another project ... but they allways leave some machine on the projects for long times (they can easily forgot about 10 ghz of power each ... for about a year)

this competition between teams is what place a project in front of the scene ... and attract people for long term !

one of the baddest maintained project i know is http://euler.free.fr (last update in november 2006) but they managed to create team competition and they still get a lot of contributors ... even if the project is virtually dead ...

the counterpart of the heavy work of teams is that you have to do stats (carlos is trying to manage that with 2 "stats Guru")

Don't forget, in Distributed Computing, 99% of participant use boinc because it's easy, because it's "berkeley certified" and because "they don't understand anything to what they do but it work" and finally because they want to have "bigger stats"

you have to know that Carlos is (i think) switching from one project to another every 4-6 months. he always choose small&new project and try to make them grown by attracting people, creating (intra-)team competition, ... (carlos personnal achievement is #participant

)

if you want a lot of work done, just follow carlos suggestion (yes sometimes he is asking impossible things

) ... but what he suggest is always to best thing to do to have a lot of work done.

em99010pepe · 2008-02-05, 17:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by kar_bon

So see post #1 : Open questions: your team is there, but there's no sense if this is the only team!!! if there's more than one team i can make another team scoring table!

and the scoring is counting the processed k/n-pairs?

Wait to see...yes..PSP PRP counts every k/n pair by a SQL database...

mdettweiler · 2008-02-05, 17:54

Karsten, if you want, you can always calculate individual LLRnet user stats from my LLRnet stats (since those will be updated whenever Carlos sends me results files anyway). Then all the "heavy lifting" of parsing the LLRnet results files will already be done for you.

kar_bon · 2008-02-05, 18:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by em99010pepe

Wait to see...yes..PSP PRP counts every k/n pair by a SQL database...

ohhh..... snipp... and there's a SQL-Database i can use, maintain and fill with data!!!

so if this is a wish of others too (anon, Laurent) i will make a special scoring table for LLRnet k/n-pairs with members/teams.

should be online in the next hour(s).

gd_barnes · 2008-02-05, 18:52

Please remember that English is not the native language of many (perhaps a majority) of people here. I think there may be some misinterpretation of tone and intent in the words at times. That's what I kind of saw here.

Sometimes the same thing may need to be repeated 2-3 times but in a different way each time so that all others understand it. This can be either related to the language or simply the knowledge/experience of the person reading it.

Please remember to focus on the situation that needs to be resolved and not the people or individual that are/is being spoken to.

The whole team concept is new territory for me so I will not offer much input on it other than to say that if it brings in 'heavy hitters' for even a short time, I'm all for it. All that I can offer is general guidance about the goals and project progress in the future.

Thanks,
Gary

2008-02-05, 16:23	#27
em99010pepe Sep 2004 2·5·283 Posts	The purpose of that link is to teach you that it is possible to create some stats for LLRNet server. With team support we well bring more computing power to the project because competition between teams will start. Who gains with this all? NPLB. You can't see that, I feel sorry for you. "There is no project for 'NPLB' so no credits for your team 'Free-DC' for work done at NPLB!" You sound like a silly child, do you want me to be like you and shut down all servers? Nha nha nha nha nha...Oh Lord, grow up! Carlos Last fiddled with by em99010pepe on 2008-02-05 at 16:24

2008-02-05, 17:00	#29
tnerual Oct 2006 100000011₂ Posts	the fact is that a LOT of people are doing those kind of stuff not for the beauty of primes (or the beauty of the SETI@home graph) but to be first in the stats ... and to help their team to climb up the stats whatever kind of project it is (majestic12 is, in my opinion, a stupid one for example) if you can attract 2 (or more) teams for a "fight" then you will attract 40-50 hitters (and not the "smallest ones"), totalizings terahertz of power ... they will play, stressing the server during one week or one month ... and after some time, they will switch to another project ... but they allways leave some machine on the projects for long times (they can easily forgot about 10 ghz of power each ... for about a year) this competition between teams is what place a project in front of the scene ... and attract people for long term ! one of the baddest maintained project i know is http://euler.free.fr (last update in november 2006) but they managed to create team competition and they still get a lot of contributors ... even if the project is virtually dead ... the counterpart of the heavy work of teams is that you have to do stats (carlos is trying to manage that with 2 "stats Guru") Don't forget, in Distributed Computing, 99% of participant use boinc because it's easy, because it's "berkeley certified" and because "they don't understand anything to what they do but it work" and finally because they want to have "bigger stats" you have to know that Carlos is (i think) switching from one project to another every 4-6 months. he always choose small&new project and try to make them grown by attracting people, creating (intra-)team competition, ... (carlos personnal achievement is #participant ) if you want a lot of work done, just follow carlos suggestion (yes sometimes he is asking impossible things ) ... but what he suggest is always to best thing to do to have a lot of work done. Last fiddled with by tnerual on 2008-02-05 at 17:03 Reason: some addition ...

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2008-02-05, 17:54	#31
mdettweiler A Sunny Moo Aug 2007 USA (GMT-5) 3·2,083 Posts	Karsten, if you want, you can always calculate individual LLRnet user stats from my LLRnet stats (since those will be updated whenever Carlos sends me results files anyway). Then all the "heavy lifting" of parsing the LLRnet results files will already be done for you.

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gd_barnes May 2007 Kansas; USA 289B₁₆ Posts	Please remember that English is not the native language of many (perhaps a majority) of people here. I think there may be some misinterpretation of tone and intent in the words at times. That's what I kind of saw here. Sometimes the same thing may need to be repeated 2-3 times but in a different way each time so that all others understand it. This can be either related to the language or simply the knowledge/experience of the person reading it. Please remember to focus on the situation that needs to be resolved and not the people or individual that are/is being spoken to. The whole team concept is new territory for me so I will not offer much input on it other than to say that if it brings in 'heavy hitters' for even a short time, I'm all for it. All that I can offer is general guidance about the goals and project progress in the future. Thanks, Gary