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Sep 2002
República de California
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Great loss for those among us who have loved and spent serious time in the mountains of the world.
I'd clean forgotten that Hillary and Norgay were in fact the second duo from the expedition to make a summit try - first pair fell "just" 100m short - I use quotes because in that environment, with weather changing to bad, 100m can be an eternity. Still ... just a few more minutes of clear air, a few more minutes of life in the buggy O2 tank...what might have been. Edmund Hillary, First on Everest, Dies at 88 Quote:
Heh, "What's all the buzz about this Hillary chap?" |
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"Mark"
Apr 2003
Between here and the
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I hate to be cynical, but I wonder what kind of boost this will give to the other Hillary during the next primary. I suspect a number of Americans will assume that they are related, feel sorry for HRC, and vote for her as they did in NH.
Last fiddled with by rogue on 2008-01-11 at 17:14 |
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"Lucan"
Dec 2006
England
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Quote:
Tenzing aleady had a title - "Sherpa". |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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And even if it were a formal honorific, since when does having one title preclude one from being eligible for a second? You ever see some of the laundry lists of titles lugged around by members of the British peerage? |
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"Lucan"
Dec 2006
England
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OK Doctor Mayer - I relent
Last fiddled with by davieddy on 2008-01-11 at 18:40 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Jan 2005
Transdniestr
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Ugh, they reached the summit together and Hillary couldn't have done it without a sherpa guide. Norgay always gets short-shrift(sp?)
This is no reflection on Sir Edmund though. RIP. Last fiddled with by grandpascorpion on 2008-01-11 at 19:54 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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To answer your aside: Interestingly, while shrift is in modern times perhaps best-known as the Yiddish version of the German Schrift [literally, "writing"], the English shrift actually derives from the word shrive, which - along with scrivener, i.e. one who shrives for a living - shares a common Latin heritage [scriptum] with the German Schrift. I had always thought shrift came to the English from Yiddish until your query prompted me to fact-check that assumption.
Either the version without or with the "c" can be used, but the latter is used relatively rarely - by way of a quick estimate of commonality of usage: "short shrift" gets 535,000 google hits "short schrift" gets 3,220 google hits. Ain't it cool how these threads sometimes just wander off in the most curious directions? Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2008-01-11 at 20:31 |
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Jan 2005
Transdniestr
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Ah, es macht viele zenze.
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Aug 2003
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Calling Hilary the "first man", instead of one of the "first pair" shows 'white bias'. One can say that he led the first team. Just as other explorers lead the first team to the poles.
Mr. Norgay is getting far more press than in years past. Some of the news report try to include him, but still call Hilary the first man. Buzz and Neil landed at the same time. Buzz'es words were the first heard from the moon, not Neil's. |
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"Lucan"
Dec 2006
England
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Just seen a half hour interview with Hillary from 10 years ago.
He came across as amiable and modest. (However I am cruelly reminded of Churchill's verdict on Atlee: "A modest man, with much to be modest about") D.A.Eddy M.A.(Oxon) |
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