mersenneforum.org  

Go Back   mersenneforum.org > Factoring Projects > Factoring

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2011-04-24, 12:32   #573
jasonp
Tribal Bullet
 
jasonp's Avatar
 
Oct 2004

3·1,181 Posts
Default

you can start here, which is a fairly in-depth treatment of your question.
jasonp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-04-25, 15:49   #574
em99010pepe
 
em99010pepe's Avatar
 
Sep 2004

2·5·283 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonp View Post
you can start here, which is a fairly in-depth treatment of your question.
I already printed "Optimal Parameterization of SNFS" by R.D Silverman, that one will be next. Thank you.
em99010pepe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-04-26, 13:42   #575
Jeff Gilchrist
 
Jeff Gilchrist's Avatar
 
Jun 2003
Ottawa, Canada

3×17×23 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andi47 View Post
I just downloaded SVN 413 from Jeff's page. Is it intended, that the 15e binary says that it is SVN 406?
Not sure about the endless loop, but the SVN 406 seems to be correct. The source file gnfs-lasieve4e.c that it is built from was last modified with SVN revision 406.

Jeff.
Jeff Gilchrist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-08, 11:34   #576
em99010pepe
 
em99010pepe's Avatar
 
Sep 2004

1011000011102 Posts
Default

Attached an excel-table (updated today) which gives estimations for SNFS difficulty from 126 up to 252, based on factorizations I have done and factorizations that have been done by others.
Attached Files
File Type: zip snfs estimates.zip (8.8 KB, 129 views)

Last fiddled with by em99010pepe on 2011-05-08 at 11:45
em99010pepe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-08, 21:45   #577
R.D. Silverman
 
R.D. Silverman's Avatar
 
Nov 2003

22·5·373 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by em99010pepe View Post
Attached an excel-table (updated today) which gives estimations for SNFS difficulty from 126 up to 252, based on factorizations I have done and factorizations that have been done by others.
My paper on optimal parameterization gives additional data.

Note that trying to fit a polynomial (and a fairly high degree one)
to a function known NOT to be polynomial makes very little
sense. It would be much better to fit the o(1) term in the known
asymptotic run time. I gave a rump session talk on this at crypto
back in the late 90's.
R.D. Silverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-09, 12:40   #578
em99010pepe
 
em99010pepe's Avatar
 
Sep 2004

2×5×283 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman View Post
My paper on optimal parameterization gives additional data.

Note that trying to fit a polynomial (and a fairly high degree one)
to a function known NOT to be polynomial makes very little
sense. It would be much better to fit the o(1) term in the known
asymptotic run time. I gave a rump session talk on this at crypto
back in the late 90's.
I printed your paper and it's been very helpful. At the beginning I was concentrated on chapter 4 but when I get more free time I will read the rest.

I know the polynomial fit makes almost no sense at all, I was just playing around with the variables.

Today I received more data to include on the excel-table, as soon as I get some free time I will share it (updated) on google pages.
em99010pepe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-09, 14:50   #579
xilman
Bamboozled!
 
xilman's Avatar
 
"π’‰Ίπ’ŒŒπ’‡·π’†·π’€­"
May 2003
Down not across

2A2216 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by em99010pepe View Post
I printed your paper and it's been very helpful. At the beginning I was concentrated on chapter 4 but when I get more free time I will read the rest.

I know the polynomial fit makes almost no sense at all, I was just playing around with the variables.

Today I received more data to include on the excel-table, as soon as I get some free time I will share it (updated) on google pages.
Note that a polynomial fit might actually be quite useful in practice for interpolation between well-characterized data points, as long as it is a reasonably low-degree polynomial. To that extent it makes sense, especially if it is much easier to implement than something more justified by theory. Using it for extrapolation is very likely to lead you astray.

Paul
xilman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-09, 15:11   #580
R.D. Silverman
 
R.D. Silverman's Avatar
 
Nov 2003

22×5×373 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by xilman View Post
Note that a polynomial fit might actually be quite useful in practice for interpolation between well-characterized data points, as long as it is a reasonably low-degree polynomial. To that extent it makes sense, especially if it is much easier to implement than something more justified by theory. Paul
Once you fit the o(1) term in the exponent for L(N, c) extrapolation
becomes quite easy on a hand calculator. You can ALSO fit an
extrapolation function for the factor base size, since it is just L(N, c/2)
with a different o(1) term.
R.D. Silverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-09, 16:19   #581
xilman
Bamboozled!
 
xilman's Avatar
 
"π’‰Ίπ’ŒŒπ’‡·π’†·π’€­"
May 2003
Down not across

1078610 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman View Post
Once you fit the o(1) term in the exponent for L(N, c) extrapolation
becomes quite easy on a hand calculator. You can ALSO fit an
extrapolation function for the factor base size, since it is just L(N, c/2)
with a different o(1) term.
Agreed.

It's the fitting that might be a little more difficult in practice. It's trivial to fit a polynomial to data in Excel or its Open Office counterpart. If you have a decent stats tool available, fitting other curves is fairly straightfoward but many people wouldn't want to track down, install and learn how to use such a tool when they already have Excel to hand. To be honest, I can't say I blame them if all they want is a one-off solution to a one-off problem.

Paul
xilman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-13, 18:12   #582
em99010pepe
 
em99010pepe's Avatar
 
Sep 2004

B0E16 Posts
Default

Attached an excel-table (updated today) which gives estimations for SNFS difficulty from 126 up to 252, based on factorizations I have done and factorizations that have been done by others
You can send me yours to em99010pepe at gmail dot com.
Attached Files
File Type: zip snfs estimates_13052011.zip (8.1 KB, 108 views)
em99010pepe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2011-05-15, 09:25   #583
em99010pepe
 
em99010pepe's Avatar
 
Sep 2004

2·5·283 Posts
Default

The file is available here: https://sites.google.com/site/em99010pepe/snfs
em99010pepe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Installation of GGNFS LegionMammal978 Msieve 17 2017-01-20 19:49
Running other programs while running Prime95. Neimanator PrimeNet 14 2013-08-10 20:15
Error running GGNFS+msieve+factmsieve.py D. B. Staple Factoring 6 2011-06-12 22:23
GGNFS or something better? Zeta-Flux Factoring 1 2007-08-07 22:40
ggnfs ATH Factoring 3 2006-08-12 22:50

All times are UTC. The time now is 15:48.


Fri Aug 6 15:48:36 UTC 2021 up 14 days, 10:17, 1 user, load averages: 2.26, 2.29, 2.47

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum has received and complied with 0 (zero) government requests for information.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.
A copy of the license is included in the FAQ.