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Sep 2002
República de California
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As the crooked banksters and their cronies in Washington like to tell us, unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures. In that spirit, I am awarding a second Moron of the Week [hell, I may have to award one each day this week] to "Uncle" Ben Bernanke:
Treasury Should Avoid Paying `Fire Sale' Prices for Assets, Bernanke Says Quote:
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Der Spiegel | The World Shouldn't Have to Bear the Burden for America's Lapses: The US government is buying bad debt for $700 billion. Now Washington is asking other countries to jump in and help, too, but the Germans are bowing out. Believing that the rescue package sends the wrong signal, experts from the country's leading economics think tanks argue it's the right call. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2008-09-23 at 20:43 |
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Sep 2002
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So this is now the big conflation of two problems:
If toxic paper is clogging the system, buying that at market prices supposedly would solve the problem. So the companies take a massive loss. So they are takeover candidates. At least the logjam would be gone. Seems to me that if the powers that be really want to bail out these companies they could do it cleanly in two separate stages:
No Way No How No Bailout (on these terms) This way stinks. |
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Sep 2002
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This *is* pretty scary:
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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I apologize for having termed recent Bush administration actions "communistic" at one time. I get it now: "Cronyistic".
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"Gang aft agley"
Sep 2002
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Bloomberg.com says that Warren Buffet's holding company (investing in Goldman Sachs) is "buying $5 billion of perpetual preferred stock with a 10 percent dividend. Berkshire also gets warrants to buy $5 billion of common stock at $115 a share at any time in the next five years. The common stock closed yesterday at $125.05, providing Buffett with an instant paper profit of $437 million." Now I respect Warren Buffet, His holding company is cash rich at the moment and making strategic purchases with no funny business. Also he warned everyone about a possible meltdown quite some time back. But remind me again why we are bailing out these companies when people are buying into them. Last fiddled with by only_human on 2008-09-24 at 07:04 Reason: added Bloomberg quote |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Bush may talk bailout on prime time: The President might speak to the public about the proposed $700 billion bailout on TV as early as tonight to urge skeptical senators. Let me guess: Grave threats to our national economy ... bailout is bad, but alternative is worse ... must act NOW! NOW! NOW! ... Have full confidence in fellow liars Paulson and Bernanke ... Economy is fundamentally sound|strong|resilient|really-quite-sexy, but faces "unprecedented headwinds" ... American workers are the greatest on earth ... this is not a reward to Wall Street speculators, it`s a *bailout* of Wall Street speculators ... whole world is watching and waiting for us to act ... decisive action is required ... cannot delay ... you`re either for the bailout or a supporter of terrorists ... God bless the frickin` U. S. of A, y`all! FBI probing bailout firms: Investigators start search for fraud at Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and AIG, sources say. Uh, isn`t that kind of thing the SEC`s job? Oh wait, they`re run by an incompetent buffoon whose playbook reads "No overvalued stock left behind." Buffett Calls Credit Crisis an "Economic Pearl Harbor," Backs Paulson Plan Billionaire investor: Warren Buffett, likening the market turmoil to an ``economic Pearl Harbor,'' said his $5 billion investment in Goldman Sachs Group Inc. is a vote of confidence in the Treasury's $700 billion bank rescue plan. If the Credit Crisis is an "Economic Pearl Harbor," then Warren Buffett is the one scooping up damaged Hawaiian shipyards at a hefty discount and pressing President Roosevelt to "declare war without delay". Recalling the Little Orphan Annie cartoons, maybe we should start calling him "Daddy Warrenbucks". China Shuns Paulson's Free Market Message as Financial Meltdown Burns U.S. Quote:
And speaking of the role reversal betwixt the U.S. and the foreign capital markets... Rumors about the influence of FCBs on the bailout proposal: I`m not normally a big conspiracy-theory buff, but there is enough evidence that foreign central banks put the squeeze on Paulson earlier this summer to bail out Fannie and Freddie so as to make their GSE bond bets go from bad to good that it seems not implausible that a similar thing is happening behind the scenes currently. Spotted on a Yahoo Finance message board: Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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NYTimes Op-Ed | The Buck Stopped Then
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SEC declares automakers, IBM as "financial firms" The SEC`s list of short-sale-banned "financial companies" keeps expanding - a couple days ago they added the likes of Ford, GE and GM to the list. Today they added IBM and a bunch of REITs: NYSE-Listed Companies Added to the Short Sale List as of Wednesday Morning, Sept. 24, 2008 Some interesting members of the latest list that caught my eye, along with my speculation as to the possible explanation for each: MHS Medco Health Solutions, Inc. - "Medco Health Solutions, Inc. provides pharmacy benefit management services in the United States and Puerto Rico"; clearly this firm is vital to the national interest, and must be protected against market speculators BEE Strategic Hotels & Resorts, Inc. - Their hotel-lobby slot machines are "too big too fail" and need protection from market turmoil MHP The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc - Allowing McGraw-Hill to remain a target of evil short sellers clearly puts their book publishing business and the broader U.S. economy at "systemic risk" Moody's Corporation - Having Warren Buffett's holding company as your major institutional shareholder apparently has some benefits. And hey, why restrict ourselves to just U.S. Banks? Many foreign banks must not be allowed to have their share prices fall: Just check out the number of foreign banks on the ever-expanding list: Quote:
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"Mark"
Apr 2003
Between here and the
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Jul 2003
wear a mask
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In the last three days, I have noticed that the rhetoric about the severity of this crisis has been ratcheted up - I have heard commentators say that if the bailout does not occur by the end of the week, we are going to have a Great Depression ("we're all screwed" - one local conservative AM radio commentator claimed). Is this just an attempt to sell the bailout plan?
Can anyone connect the dots for me? Things are bad on Wall Street and for any banks dealing with mortgages, but how does that lead to a Depression? And aren't we bypassing the "recession" stage? I am trying to stay informed (thanks Ernst, for all the links, commentary), but lately I feel like Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz. I can hear the Wizard's booming voice, but can't see behind the curtain... Last fiddled with by masser on 2008-09-25 at 16:27 |
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