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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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You'll need more than just a hat before this financial meltdown wraps up.
AIG just got an $85 billion bailout from Uncle Sam. All indications are that we will have more unprecedented bank/finance failures within the next 3 weeks. Merrill Lynch, Lehmans, Bear Sterns, Countrywide, just ask yourself who is next? DarJones |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Ah, yes -- the same Thomas Sowell who thinks Democrats, including specifically Barack Obama, aid and abet people who hate America, and that Obama has done so for "decades".
http://townhall.com/columnists/Thoma...ama_and_mccain (BTW, I've seen Obama-smears (but no McCain-smears) posted to two separate non-political mailing lists to which I subscribe; the latest quoted the article linked above.) - - - Hey, I heard a local right-wing radio talk show host give that same line earlier today: that the _real_ root of the current financial crisis was the bill passed in the Clinton administration that directed banks to stop redlining minority neighborhoods (my synopsis, not his). Guess he reads Sowell, too (not to mention not-mentioning which party controlled Congress, so could have killed that bill, at the time it was under consideration). - - - Anyone know how, exactly, Sowell thinks Democrats are responsible for any of the things Ernst listed? ... other than appointing Alan Greenspan (the first time, that is)? (But wait! Republicans had the Senate majority then, didn't they?) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2008-09-17 at 06:14 |
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Jul 2003
wear a mask
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I thought Greenspan was appointed by Bush 41, with a Democratic congress...
Last fiddled with by masser on 2008-09-17 at 15:21 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Greenspan was initially appointed by Reagan in 1987, and subsequently reappointed by every succeeding president: Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr. That was when his quasi-mystical "maestro" image was still intact. And yes, the policies that led to the dotcom bubble were put in place while Clinton was in in office, so there's plenty of blame to go around. But as I recall, Clinton wasn't running up colossal current-account deficits on top of it all.
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P90 years forever!
Aug 2002
Yeehaw, FL
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There sure is. IMO, most of the blame goes to the management of these banks, brokerages, insurance companies, and ratings agencies.
Instead of doing their fiduciary duty of wisely managing companies, they leveraged themselves to the hilt, pushed mortgages and HELOCs on customers they knew couldn't afford it, and conspired with others to repackage the crap and sell it for a profit to unsuspecting suckers. After all, who cares if they drive a 150 year old company into the ground if they can get a few multi-million dollar bonus checks before it goes under. Last fiddled with by Prime95 on 2008-09-17 at 16:53 |
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Nov 2003
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Gordon Gecko These managers are in good company. |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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On to today`s economic and market news - another history-making day unfolding. If I had to write a headline right now about recent events, it would probably read something like "2 Weeks that Reshaped the Global Financial Landscape". Make no mistake, what are witnessing here is every bit as big as 1929 was.
======================== As widely reported, the U.S. Federal Reserve and Treasury changed their minds last night and agreed to pump nearly $100 Billion [it will probably end up being more] to keep insurance giant AIG from outright collapse. While they effectively paid a hefty premium for their 80% stake in AIG [based on yesterday's market range], they drove a brutal bargain with respect to interest on the loan: AIG Slumps as U.S. Takeover Seen Wiping Out Investors' Stakes, Dividends: American International Group Inc. fell 44 percent on speculation the government's takeover will ultimately wipe out shareholders. Stocks in U.S. Slide as Bank Lending Seizes Up Following Takeover of AIG: U.S. stocks tumbled as bank lending seized up in the wake of the government's takeover of American International Group Inc., raising concern that more of the nation's biggest financial companies will fail. Quote:
Morgan Stanley, Goldman Shares Plunge Most Ever as Credit Crisis Deepens: Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley, the two biggest U.S. securities firms, tumbled the most ever in New York after a government rescue plan for American International Group Inc. failed to ease the credit contraction. New housing construction at 17-year low Quote:
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Nov 2003
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What about stockholder lawsuits against these corporations and corporate execs responsible for the mess? What about Fidelity suing on behalf of its mutual fund holders? The basis for the lawsuit would be fraud, of course. And of course, we would need to sue S&P and Moody's for their fraudulent ratings....... Face it, anyone with an IRA is in deep kimchee. We should have let AIG go belly up, IMO. The Fed bailout certainly does not seem to have helped the many millions of people with IRAs. |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Reserve's Money Fund "Breaks the Buck": Reserve Primary Fund (RFIXX), the oldest US money-market fund, became the first in 14 years to break the buck after writing off $785 million of debt issued by bankrupt Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.
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Mish Weighs In on the Legality of the AIG Takeover AIG Bailout: Fed Loophole 13.3 Quote:
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"Gang aft agley"
Sep 2002
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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