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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
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I've come from this website. The page in question is here.
Anyway, to quote the author about residues: Quote:
I'm going to put my thinking cap on and see if I can come up with a method that can come up with a higher residue number. Mind you, if I do come up with a method, the answer may be so unbelievably high that a program couldn't calculate the number. But if my method is solid, the proof will be somewhat similar to the infinitude of primes proof in explanation. Edit:Surely, it can't be this easy. Give your critique of the following: ((3x+1)/2)^y for a high enough y to generate a better residue than R(993) Last fiddled with by jasong on 2007-09-21 at 02:32 |
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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
3×7×167 Posts |
Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. My idea comes from the way the series works, so my equation makes no sense. (sorry, ADD and head-strongness again[is that a word?])
If x=1 then the equation becomes 2^y=1, which still makes no sense. Basically, I'm hypothesizing you can come up with an arbitrarily high residue by simply assigning higher and higher values of y. I haven't actually tested this, but I intend to either today or tomorrow. So, you calculate 2^1-1, which gives the smallest possible delay, then 2^2-1, which 3, whose delay I think is 7, and then you have 7, which generates [7,22,11,34,17,52,26,13,40,20,10,5,16,8,4,2,1] and so on. Edit: I tested my idea, and it doesn't work. Sorry for the spamming, although this may keep people from making the same mistake. Edit: It doesn't change the opinion I stated in the first post, it's just I don't have a way to come up with a counter-example. Last fiddled with by jasong on 2007-09-21 at 02:41 Reason: And now I realize, I gave the value x in two different places, even though they were supposed to be distinct values. |
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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
3·7·167 Posts |
Basically, for the residue to be high, most or all even values would have to turn into odd values on the next iteration, so ((3x+1)/2)^y would have to be odd, ((3x-1)/2)^(y-1) would have to be odd, and so on for at least a million iterations, with y being over a million to begin with. Well, not every iteration would have to be odd than even, but considering that every 3x+1 produces an even number(since x is always even, which is a requirement for the 3x+1 step to be done) the vast majority of even numbers would have to immediately become odd after division by 2.
Last fiddled with by jasong on 2007-09-21 at 03:44 Reason: Okay, now that I think about the '^y' part, I'm not so sure it's true. But a large number of alt. odd/even values is a must. |
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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
3·7·167 Posts |
Okay, I think this problem is solvable, but the recursion involved would probably be a real hassle to program. Basically, you'd have to find a way to generate numbers that alternate odd/even within the problem. The question is whether or not one iteration can be used to lead to the next.
I'm going to think about this a little more, not sure whether I'm onto something or not. Probably not, but it's a fun thought problem. |
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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
3×7×167 Posts |
Okay, sorry about all the posts in a row. I'm not going to add anything after this unless it's after work tomorrow, minimum 13hrs45min from now, or I feel the need to respond to someone.
I'm thinking that until an iteration reaches a value of 4, each value, starting with the 5th to the last value, has to be done so that the previous x has to be of the form 2a+1 with 'a' even. So, for many iterations, I think we would get the more specific form of (3(2a+1)+1)/2=(another odd value). One would have to go through the ns sequentially, keeping track of the best of these in order to find better and better combinations. Not sure if it's possible to accomplish. Shortcuts would be necessary for the problem to be solved within our lifetime. Last fiddled with by jasong on 2007-09-21 at 04:50 |
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