About ungrateful discoverers ... - Page 2

cheesehead · 2005-11-29, 16:46

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Originally Posted by pacionet

How can I prove to have used a software instead of another sofware ?

There are various things in the files and message displays that can be used as telltales, as well as other things I'm not going to detail.

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It seems to me that the rules are not completely clear.

Oh? What's not clear in the Official EFF Cooperative Computing Award Rules at http://www.eff.org/awards/award-prime-rules.html ?

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It seems to me that one ungrateful discoverer could "deceive" EFF and GIMPS if he wants. (and of course , he would be a lyer, a thief ,etc )

Do you agree ?

I think that after you read all the official rules, rather than relying on informal references and summaries posted in this forum, you may find it more difficult to deceive EFF than you now claim.

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Originally Posted by drew

Is primenet part of the GIMPS project, or is it considered a separate entity?

From http://mersenne.org/primenet/:

"PrimeNet is a world-wide, distributed Internet research computing system created in 1997 for the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search (GIMPS)."

I don't know if that sufficiently specifies the legal relationship.

As I pointed out earlier, whether or not one uses PrimeNet is irrelevant to claiming the EFF prize.

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IOW, if someone developed his own algorithm to test primality, would they be allowed to use primenet to find available exponents and still be eligible for the full prize?

I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that using PrimeNet to get an assignment, but without using GIMPS software, would mean one is not bound by the terms of the GIMPS software license. (Someone please correct this if I'm wrong.)

nibble4bits · 2005-12-12, 01:44

We need to ask ourselves a question here: Did we get the primes to test from another person's site? If yes then you're obligated to mention them because of plagorism.
Some other questions:
Did we just use their list of composites (much like a phone book or list of P.O. Boxes) and use a stand-alone tool?
Did we check to make sure that the list is public domain and not licensed? If it is, then no one should be using it for a math project.
Did we use a program that has as part of it's license agreement that you need to give them credit?
Is the agreement valid in your case? I'd have to argue that there are exceptions like using a compiler to write a compiler is legal. EULAs are a sticky issue when it comes to a customer's owned host for an application that goes against the owner's wishes - like Sony's XCP. :P

This is more of a honor system - if you want to make money, then there's better ways to do it like say lottery tickets! LOL

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nibble4bits Nov 2005 B6₁₆ Posts	We need to ask ourselves a question here: Did we get the primes to test from another person's site? If yes then you're obligated to mention them because of plagorism. Some other questions: Did we just use their list of composites (much like a phone book or list of P.O. Boxes) and use a stand-alone tool? Did we check to make sure that the list is public domain and not licensed? If it is, then no one should be using it for a math project. Did we use a program that has as part of it's license agreement that you need to give them credit? Is the agreement valid in your case? I'd have to argue that there are exceptions like using a compiler to write a compiler is legal. EULAs are a sticky issue when it comes to a customer's owned host for an application that goes against the owner's wishes - like Sony's XCP. :P This is more of a honor system - if you want to make money, then there's better ways to do it like say lottery tickets! LOL