Isolated the problem, now what? - Page 2

moo · 2005-03-26, 19:41

doesnt worry bout his pent 4 its only 1.8 ghz and stays in range of 99 to 109 degrees

dsouza123 · 2005-03-26, 19:56

moo

I hope those temps are in degrees fahrenheit.

moo · 2005-03-26, 20:32

o they are ;)

thermalMan · 2005-03-26, 22:15

My HSF is a Slient Boost from Thermaltake.
My PSU is a 400W from Antec.

The temperature mentionned are at idle. Using Prime95, I've seen 62C on MM5...

My system was stable with my 2100+ (and waaayyy cooler) but seems rather finiky with my new 3000+. (Premiere crashed, Firefox crashed (seems ok with version 1.0.1 had 1.0.2)...

dsouza123 · 2005-03-26, 22:49

Can you try with the case/panels off ?
Should lower the temp significantly.

It is how I run my PC, front and both side panels removed.
Makes a big difference in the summer (stable or not),
and much cooler in the winter.

That combined with underclocking CPU/memory will let you
find stable operating parameters.

Kosmaj · 2005-03-27, 01:50

Your PSU is more than adequate

But I'm not sure about the heat-sink. FrostyTech says it's good, but as you can see from the list there are better. If you want to run GIMPS 24/7 I'll suggest you forget about the silence and go for sheer performance. As they say in the review for Thremalright AX7

Quote:

noise levels are enough to wake the dead, but for those of us who really the performance it is the only way to go.

I see you are not overclocking but maybe the air-flow in your case is poor. Also check the contact between the CPU and the heat-sink.

To be certain about the memory, run memtest86+ the first night, Windows Memory Diagnostics the second night, and if possible, GIMPS memory test the 3rd.

thermalMan · 2005-03-27, 04:50

Here's a pic of my case layout. I can't see how I could make this better with everything that's in there...
Case layout picture

I'm thinking of possibly going with a better heatsink fan to replace the one on my Silent Boost. The heatsink is copper, so, maybe the fan would give me better results? Copper is copper no?

I could start the tests tomorrow morning, I have relatives in town and they sleep in my computer room. Will report back, ASAP...

Kosmaj · 2005-03-27, 06:57

It's so neat inside your case

Try also what dsouza said, to run with a case panel facing cpu removed. Then direct an external (room) fan to the cpu/mobo and try to run GIMPS. If there are no errors then your problem is cpu overheat. Otherwise it's something else. But you have to fix the problem, it's not good to run without the side panel all the time (mobo/chipset temps go up, not to mention troubles if you have children).

Try also the following: (1) if you have used the heatsink for a while, check for dust on heatsink fins, if there is some, remove the fan and vacuum the dust. I have Coolermaster HHC-001 and that's what I do once every 3-4 months. The cpu temp goes down 2-3C after cleaning. (2) Try to move the HDD from behind the front case fan (2nd from the bottom) to the slot right under the top HDD to improve the air flow.

And good luck!

moo · 2005-03-27, 08:41

insted of moveing case fan to clean buy can o compressed air have vacum in case shoot it was short blasts and vacum up dust before it settles ;)

thermalMan · 2005-03-28, 19:38

Kosmaj and Dsouza,

I tried Memtest for 6 hours, no problem. I tried MS Memory Diagnostics for 6 hours, no problem.

I removed the front panel of my case, loaded Prime95 and ran it. I still got the same "Hardware Error" as usual, and in the same time too <2 min. My temps were 5C less though.

This computer has been thouroughly cleaned before doing any of the testing in this thread.

I'm running out of

patience and tests! LOL!

Thanks for all the help!

moo · 2005-03-28, 22:50

have u underclock proc yet.... also what os

2005-03-27, 06:57	#19
Kosmaj Nov 2003 2·1,811 Posts	It's so neat inside your case Try also what dsouza said, to run with a case panel facing cpu removed. Then direct an external (room) fan to the cpu/mobo and try to run GIMPS. If there are no errors then your problem is cpu overheat. Otherwise it's something else. But you have to fix the problem, it's not good to run without the side panel all the time (mobo/chipset temps go up, not to mention troubles if you have children). Try also the following: (1) if you have used the heatsink for a while, check for dust on heatsink fins, if there is some, remove the fan and vacuum the dust. I have Coolermaster HHC-001 and that's what I do once every 3-4 months. The cpu temp goes down 2-3C after cleaning. (2) Try to move the HDD from behind the front case fan (2nd from the bottom) to the slot right under the top HDD to improve the air flow. And good luck! Last fiddled with by Kosmaj on 2005-03-27 at 06:58

2005-03-28, 22:50	#22
moo Jul 2004 Nowhere 809₁₀ Posts	have u underclock proc yet.... also what os Last fiddled with by moo on 2005-03-28 at 22:51

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2005-03-26, 19:41	#12
moo Jul 2004 Nowhere 809 Posts	doesnt worry bout his pent 4 its only 1.8 ghz and stays in range of 99 to 109 degrees

2005-03-26, 19:56	#13
dsouza123 Sep 2002 296₁₆ Posts	moo I hope those temps are in degrees fahrenheit.

2005-03-26, 20:32	#14
moo Jul 2004 Nowhere 329₁₆ Posts	o they are ;)

2005-03-26, 22:15	#15
thermalMan Mar 2005 Ottawa, Canada, ON 11001₂ Posts	My HSF is a Slient Boost from Thermaltake. My PSU is a 400W from Antec. The temperature mentionned are at idle. Using Prime95, I've seen 62C on MM5... My system was stable with my 2100+ (and waaayyy cooler) but seems rather finiky with my new 3000+. (Premiere crashed, Firefox crashed (seems ok with version 1.0.1 had 1.0.2)...

2005-03-26, 22:49	#16
dsouza123 Sep 2002 296₁₆ Posts	Can you try with the case/panels off ? Should lower the temp significantly. It is how I run my PC, front and both side panels removed. Makes a big difference in the summer (stable or not), and much cooler in the winter. That combined with underclocking CPU/memory will let you find stable operating parameters.

2005-03-27, 04:50	#18
thermalMan Mar 2005 Ottawa, Canada, ON 5² Posts	Here's a pic of my case layout. I can't see how I could make this better with everything that's in there... Case layout picture I'm thinking of possibly going with a better heatsink fan to replace the one on my Silent Boost. The heatsink is copper, so, maybe the fan would give me better results? Copper is copper no? I could start the tests tomorrow morning, I have relatives in town and they sleep in my computer room. Will report back, ASAP...

2005-03-27, 08:41	#20
moo Jul 2004 Nowhere 1100101001₂ Posts	insted of moveing case fan to clean buy can o compressed air have vacum in case shoot it was short blasts and vacum up dust before it settles ;)

2005-03-28, 19:38	#21
thermalMan Mar 2005 Ottawa, Canada, ON 5² Posts	Kosmaj and Dsouza, I tried Memtest for 6 hours, no problem. I tried MS Memory Diagnostics for 6 hours, no problem. I removed the front panel of my case, loaded Prime95 and ran it. I still got the same "Hardware Error" as usual, and in the same time too <2 min. My temps were 5C less though. This computer has been thouroughly cleaned before doing any of the testing in this thread. I'm running out of patience and tests! LOL! Thanks for all the help!