Manic of a panic is geopolitical

[Dr Sardonicus]

Gleaned from the Moscow Times:

March 7 — Russia confirmed four new cases of coronavirus, taking the total number to 17 (4 new cases)

[March 8 - no new cases reported]

March 9 — Another three people in Moscow have been diagnosed with coronavirus overnight (3 new cases)

[March 10 - no new cases reported]

March 11 - The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Russia rose to 28 from 20 (8 new cases)

March 12 — Russia has confirmed six new cases of coronavirus, bringing the total number of cases to 34

March 13 — Russia confirmed 11 new cases of coronavirus

March 14 — Russia has confirmed 14 new cases of coronavirus

March 15 — Russia registered four more cases of coronavirus, Interfax reported, bringing the total number of infections to 63.

March 16 The number of coronavirus infections in Russia has risen to 93 (30 new cases)

March 17 — The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Russia has risen to 114 (21 new cases)

March 18 — Russia reported 33 new cases of coronavirus

March 19 — Russia has reported 52 new cases of coronavirus

March 20 — Russia confirmed 54 new cases of coronavirus

March 21 — Russia confirmed 53 new coronavirus infections

[Uncwilly]

Originally Posted by Prime95

There is little doubt that the upcoming sharp global recession, perhaps depression, will cost many lives in the coming years. Expect more suicides, deaths from inability to afford healthcare, deaths due to side-effects of poverty, etc.

And survivor's guilt, and family members who know that they gave it to a family member that died, doctors and nurses that had to make a hard choice like giving a ventilator to a 30 year old and not the 75 year old, just among others.

Someone I know lost a family member due to the fall out of survivor's guilt from September 11th.

[kladner]

Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus

Gleaned from the Moscow Times:

March 7 — Russia confirmed four new cases of coronavirus, taking the total number to 17 (4 new cases)

[March 8 - no new cases reported]

March 9 — Another three people in Moscow have been diagnosed with coronavirus overnight (3 new cases)

[March 10 - no new cases reported]

March 11 - The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Russia rose to 28 from 20 (8 new cases)

March 12 — Russia has confirmed six new cases of coronavirus, bringing the total number of cases to 34

March 13 — Russia confirmed 11 new cases of coronavirus

March 14 — Russia has confirmed 14 new cases of coronavirus

March 15 — Russia registered four more cases of coronavirus, Interfax reported, bringing the total number of infections to 63.

March 16 The number of coronavirus infections in Russia has risen to 93 (30 new cases)

March 17 — The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Russia has risen to 114 (21 new cases)

March 18 — Russia reported 33 new cases of coronavirus

March 19 — Russia has reported 52 new cases of coronavirus

March 20 — Russia confirmed 54 new cases of coronavirus

March 21 — Russia confirmed 53 new coronavirus infections

I can't help being as skeptical of the Russian numbers as I am of those bandied about for the States. I expect orders of magnitude higher if and when more accurate numbers are released.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by kriesel

...The freedom to kill one's own children before a certain age...

Friendly moderator request: please use the thread we have in the Soapbox for discussions like that, not the Lounge.

[Dr Sardonicus]

Iran leader refuses US help, citing virus conspiracy theory

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Iran's supreme leader refused U.S. assistance Sunday to fight the new coronavirus, citing an unfounded conspiracy theory that the virus could be man-made by America.
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"I do not know how real this accusation is but when it exists, who in their right mind would trust you to bring them medication?" Khamenei said. "Possibly your medicine is a way to spread the virus more."

He also alleged without offering any evidence that the virus "is specifically built for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians which they have obtained through different means."

"You might send people as doctors and therapists, maybe they would want to come here and see the effect of the poison they have produced in person," he said.

[Dr Sardonicus]

Originally Posted by kladner

I can't help being as skeptical of the Russian numbers as I am of those bandied about for the States. I expect orders of magnitude higher if and when more accurate numbers are released.

Even if they're lowballing to the extreme, their numbers are starting to climb. There appears to be something of a jump in the number of new cases reported every few days or so. If that doesn't flatten out right quick, the numbers soon will be orders of magnitude higher...

[kriesel]

Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus

Iran leader refuses US help, citing virus conspiracy theory

"is specifically built for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians which they have obtained through different means."

Right, and the economic devastation in the US and hundreds of dead and counting in the US and complete nonspecificity to Iranian ethnicity and genetics is a myth. No.

It takes a very virulent kind of stupid stubborn irrationality to take the position that "leader' did. Let the "Great Satan" send help? No, far better to maintain a hostile posture so thousands more Iranians needlessly die, a level of infection be preserved in Iran to reseed other parts of the world, and the religiously fervent of Iran are persuaded to back Iran's existing regime a while longer over the objections of the many intelligent rational Iranians, and to the death for many of them. Never mind that the virus has already thinned out the current Iranian leadership and is likely to do more.

[kriesel]

Last night's numbers
Global:
confirmed casses 297090, deaths 12755, recovered 91540
CFR1 = 12755/(12755+91540) = 0.1223 = 12.23%
CFR2 = 12755/297090 = 0.0429 = 4.29%

US:
confirmed cases 22177, deaths 278, recovered 147
CFR1 = 278/(278+147) = 0.654 = 65.4%
CFR2 = 278/22177 = 0.0125 = 1.25%

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...23467b48e9ecf6

[Xyzzy]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/21/us/we...tient-one-test

[Dr Sardonicus]

Pandemic bonds prove good for investors, less so for nations

Upon their launch, the bonds were described by the World Bank as a way "to help prevent a high-severity infectious disease outbreak from becoming a pandemic" by making essential financing available to key responders.

According to the bonds' criteria, 12 weeks must pass before a payout for a coronavirus epidemic can be made. The outbreak must also be sustained, have affected at least two countries, and have caused at least 250 deaths.

The World Bank said that date would be met on March 23 and that a decision for a payout would then be made by an independent agency. The bank said the maximum potential payout was about $196 million. Only the world's poorest countries are eligible for funds, making any immediate pay-out unlikely, as the hardest-hit countries include China, Italy, Iran, Spain and South Korea.

Taxpayers in Australia, Germany and Japan and the International Development Association, meanwhile, have put up about $176 million so far to back the bonds.

In a 2019 paper published in the BMJ, Clare Wenham of the London School of Economics and a colleague found that as of last year, the pandemic bonds had paid nearly $115 million to investors while providing only $61 million via a "cash window" mechanism to Congo, for its most recent Ebola epidemic.

[LaurV]

Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus

<...> Russia <...>

This reminds me of ~35 years ago when they didn't want to host the paralympics olympic games because "What? We have no disabled people in Russia!" and it has to be split between US and England (I think it was the 7th summer edition? maybe the only case in history where the hosting was split between 2 countries).