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Old 2017-05-29, 16:25   #1
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I often see members here writing about their utility services costs and how they are trying to reduce them by changing hardware setups, and so on. I am curious about the service rates in other parts of the country. So, what is your current kWh rate?

I'll start: $0.15 per kWh in Southern Indiana (Duke Energy).
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Old 2017-05-29, 16:45   #2
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Don't get me started on my usual rant about high electricity costs.

$0.33 per kWh in Denmark (2.1654 dkk/kWH) (DONG Energy)

(yes it is a terrible name in English, but it is actually called that https://www.dongenergy.dk/privat/priser/el . It stands for "Dansk Olie og Natur Gas" (Danish Oil and Natural Gas).
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(yes it is a terrible name in English, but it is actually called that https://www.dongenergy.dk/privat/priser/el . It stands for "Dansk Olie og Natur Gas" (Danish Oil and Natural Gas).
Like the Italian subsidiary of PowerGen, powergenitalia.it ?

(Yes, I know it's an urban legend, but a good one.)
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Old 2017-05-29, 18:18   #4
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Please don't forget to post the other charges, see my example:

Daily charge 9.83p/kWh
Night charge 9.83p/kWh
0.1564p/day
VAT( taxes) 5 %

1p=Β£0.01
Β£1=$1.28

Irthlingborough, UK, eon supplier.

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Old 2017-05-29, 23:54   #5
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I am curious about the service rates in other parts of the country. So, what is your current kWh rate? I'll start: $0.15 per kWh in Southern Indiana (Duke Energy).
Please forgive me for this, but believe it or not the United States of America is not the centre of the Universe.
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Old 2017-05-30, 00:01   #6
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Please forgive me for this, but believe it or not the United States of America is not the centre of the Universe.
Comparison to other countries could provide some useful perspective, so let'er rip! I have a pretty good idea that your rates are high, besides having rotten service and reliability, .

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Comparison to other countries could provide some useful perspective, so let'er rip! I have a pretty good idea that your rates are high, besides having rotten service and reliability, .
In Canada, the cheapest electricity is in Quebec.

Hydro Quebec is the state-owned monopoly, and as the name suggests, nearly all its power comes from hydroelectric sources.

Residential rate ("Rate D")

First 33 kW-h per day @ 5.82 cents / kW-h (Canadian dollar, * 0.74 = 4.31 cents in US$)
Remaining consumption @ 8.92 cents / kW-h (Canadian dollar, * 0.74 = 6.60 cents in US$)


Rates to business customers follow different tiers, but the marginal rate is as low as 3.69 Canadian cents per kW-h = 2.73 cents in US$ (under Rate M).

Because of these low rates, I was optimistic when Amazon first announced that they were putting data centers in Montreal. But currently Ohio is still cheaper (at spot market prices) for AWS cloud users.

Edit: you need to add 15% tax to the above figures for Quebec.



In other parts of Canada, costs vary widely. Ontario used to have relatively cheap power by Canadian standards, but not anymore.

Ontario electricity rates (varies by time of day and by season, from 8.7 cents to 13.2 cents to 18 cents in Canadian dollars, = 6.44 to 9.77 to 13.32 cents in US$)

Edit: you need to add 13% tax to the above figures for Ontario.

Electricity rates by province

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US electric rates, average cost in each US state, in US$

European electrical rates, average cost in each country, in euros (linked from here)

Current 1 EUR = 1.11 USD
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though I don't run software other than PARI/GP related to this forum here's nova scotia power minimum rate is 10.83 a month in theory. http://www.nspower.ca/en/home/myacco...wer-rates.aspx
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Ontario used to have relatively cheap power by Canadian standards, but not anymore.

Ontario electricity rates (varies by time of day and by season, from 8.7 cents to 13.2 cents to 18 cents in Canadian dollars, = 6.44 to 9.77 to 13.32 cents in US$)

Edit: you need to add 13% tax to the above figures for Ontario.

Electricity rates by province
The Liberal government here effed us. Electricity rates have doubled in the last decade. While they shut down coal power, which is commendable for cleaning up the air (except it still blows in from Michigan and Illinois), they also signed crazy agreements for solar and wind power. The electricity corporation has to buy any power produced an ludicrous rates (over 70Β’/kWh in cases) which forces the price of electricity up. At night the base load nuclear and hydro plants produce enough power that the spot price goes negative at times. Night time surplus electricity is sold to neighbouring states.

Anyway, the numbers you have for Ontario are somewhat misleading. In April, I fit entirely into the lower 1000 kWh tier at 10.3Β’/kWh nominally, but using 841.86 kWh cost $128.36 or 15.2Β’/kWh after delivery charges, fees, taxes, etc. The price small businesses pay is higher.

The devalued Canuck Kopek may make electricity cheaper in USD terms, but it doesn't make up for the cost of importing things that are all priced in USD. I miss the days of five years ago when the Canadian dollar was worth more than that of the US.
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US electric rates, average cost in each US state, in US$
I see my state, Washington, has the cheapest in the US. All that hydro power. There's a defunct hydro plant just down the road from me. Regulations became too expensive so they shut it down 15 years back, but the man-made lake that fed it is still there, so really, why were the regulations there and why was it so expensive?

I saw Alaska is pretty high, but for a datacenter would you break even by just bringing in cool outside air? (I'm kind of kidding...I don't really think it'd break even...cooling doesn't seem like it'd be half of the electric consumption of a large datacenter?).
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