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República de California
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https://ejmagnier.com/2019/06/21/ira...e-of-the-abyss
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The Onion on the as-farcical-as-it-is-dangerous brinkmanship in play here: Bolton Argues War With Iran Only Way To Avenge Americans Killed In Upcoming War With Iran Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2019-06-21 at 22:55 |
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In My Own Galaxy!
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The Netherlands
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Both sides will have the opportunity to present their case at the trial. |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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You've heard the saying, "never believe anything until there is an official denial"?
Moon of Alabama has a good roundup of recent events, including both the reports by the Pentagon-narrative stenographers in the MSM and by several well-respected (in the sense that their counter-MSM takes have proven correct on numerous past occasions) independent bloggers, including Elijah Magnier whose blog I linked to above: White House Pushes 'Trump Pulled Back' Story - He Likely Never Approved To Strike Iran That has some good examples of the asymmetric-warfare angle I highlighted previously, e.g. Iran-allied Yemeni Houthi rebels hitting Saudi desalination plants, which are hugely important infrastructure in that parched land. And on the Iranian "maximum pressure" campaign on Trump: Quote:
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"The strait is an international waterway, but this freedom of navigation does not extend into the air. Likewise Russian warships are free to pass the Danish and the Turkish [straits] without needing or asking anyone for permission. Russian bombers cannot fly through the straits without Danish or Turkish permission." IMO Iran likely permitted many such illegal drone flights in the past with a view to not doing anything excessively provocative. In this case the provocation was forced on them by the neocons in the Trump administration, so shooting down the drone was a calculated, clear message - "no one died this time, but if we can shoot down one of your precious highflying spy drones, consider what other defensive capabilities we might have." |
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I have however found two distinct concepts regarding airspace. One is "sovereign airspace," whose boundaries are pretty much land borders and the limits of territorial waters. By that standard, airspace above international waters is "international airspace." The other concept is "Flight Information Region" (FIR). This means, whose air-traffic controllers you'll be talking to when you're flying in a given region. And in the Persian Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz, you'll be in somebody's FIR, whether it's in their sovereign airspace or not. The current FAA warning is for civilian aircraft entering Tehran's FIR. The FIRs are geared to deal with civilian air traffic. Military aircraft entering a country's FIR are, I am sure, handled differently. Especially if they weren't invited, and they don't respond to an air-traffic controller's hail. And a Global Hawk doing surveillance would unquestionably be military, and uninvited. Civilian aircraft don't fly at 60,000 feet. Quote:
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Bamboozled!
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May 2003
Down not across
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Feb 2017
Nowhere
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The purported aim of Il Duce & Co. WRT Iran -- to bring the Iranians to the bargaining table -- is at odds with its action of walking away from a deal already negotiated (the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action). It would be reasonable for the Iranians to say, "What's the point? If the current US president decides he doesn't like the deal after it's done, he'll just tear it up anyway." In other words, the Administration has put its bona fides in serious doubt by renouncing the nuclear deal. The Iranians clearly said so when Il Duce announced the USA was walking away from the nuclear deal. In a September 21, 2018 column in the Washington Post, Iran's President Rouhani said (Note: UN Resolution 2231 is about the nuclear deal),
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The Admin's approach also conjures memories of a plot device common to many stories featuring a battle between good and evil. The Bad Guys don't even consider "moral suasion" -- that is, convincing people of the justness of their cause. They go straight to making dire threats of what will happen if people don't cooperate. The Good Guys, on the other hand, appeal to peoples' sense of justice, usually supplemented by enumerating The Bad Guys' previous bad acts, and often further suggesting that cooperation with them would be rewarded by treachery. Some of these moral considerations seem to apply to real life situations as well. I leave it to the reader to ponder their relevance to campaigns waged to end injustices and oppression. Last fiddled with by Dr Sardonicus on 2019-06-23 at 15:24 Reason: removing repeated word |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Denying the "Trump wanted to work a deal where the US bombed some empty land or defunct military infrastructure" offer would actually be smart diplomacy, had such an offer existed. The very-orchestrated Syrian bombing a few years ago which caused the ever-war-loving MSM to have a short-lived "Trump proved he is presidential"-gasm makes is credible that Trump might favor trying a similar gambit as a face-saving measure vis-a-vis Iran. But the Iranians are not the Syrians, and they say "no way, no how", and the drone shoot-down gets the attention of the folks whose attention they want to get, namely POTUS and the actual military types, rather than the loony neocons Trump somehow allowed to lead him to the edge of the abyss here. At the same time, they don't want to go out of their way to publicly embarrass Trump, because they don't want a shooting war, either. So deny the "kabuki bombing" offer in order to help Trump save face at home, at the same time making it very clear that they are capable of defending themselves militarily, to help the saner voices in the Trump admin make themselves heard.
But under such a scenario, I would be surprised to see Bolton remain in his position - if he is allowed to stay on, that may necessitate a re-think. Also, note that even though a hot war appears to have been averted for now, that is not enough for the Iranians, who rightly consider themselves economic victims of an entirely unjustified and brutal sanctions regime. MoA has a followup post about that: As Trump Wants To Avoid A Shooting War, Iran Will Use Other Means To Pressure Him |
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Feb 2017
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I can easily see why they would issue an official denial after reports of such an offer were made public, for domestic political reasons -- whether the reports were true or not. I am quite sure there are factions with political power (particularly within the Revolutionary Guards) who would see even receiving such an offer, as a sign of weakness or betrayal. Obviously, in order to placate the hard-liners, an official denial would have to be issued -- again, whether the reports were true or not. So, I am not willing to view the public denial as any indication of whether the reported offer actually happened. You, conversely, may fault me for offering the denial with the tacit implication that it rebutted reports of the offer having been made. One thing I did notice about the official denial was that it denied that the US had sent a letter (as opposed to the term "message" in the headline). The careful word choice -- the specificity of the term letter (assuming the translation into English was accurate) -- leaves open the possibility of such an offer having been communicated by other means, and the denial being a non-denial denial. So assuming, for the sake of argument that such an offer was made, the question presents itself: who dreamed up the idea? I doubt Il Duce came up with it himself. And I'm not sure how many folks who were around him when he ordered the missile strikes on Syria, are still around him now. Meanwhile, it seems the Admin launched a cyber attack on Iran's air defenses. I'm no military expert, but this strikes me as particularly stupid. Disrupting command and control as an immediate prelude to an actual military strike makes sense, but in isolation seems to me far worse than useless. The Iranians will now have plenty of time to figure out how the attack worked, and devise countermeasures. And, they may share their findings with others. So, it seems likely, at least to me, that if the US tries a similar cyber attack in future as a prelude to an actual military attack, it won't work. It also may prompt the Iranians to step up their own cyber attacks against US interests. |
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