Move 24 discussion: Everyone vs stockfish

MooMoo2 · 2016-03-03, 05:01

The poll for move 23 just closed, and the most popular move was Rxd5. Stockfish responded with 23...Rxf4, and the FEN is:
r5k1/1p3p1p/1p3p2/3R1N2/5r2/8/PnP3PP/R5K1 w - - 0 24

Game so far: 1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. exd5 exd5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Bxd7+ Nbxd7 8. O-O Be7 9. dxc5 Nxc5 10. Nb3 Nce4 11. Nfd4 O-O 12. Nf5 Re8 13. Nxe7+ Rxe7 14. f3 Nd6 15. Bg5 Nc4 16. Bxf6 gxf6 17. Qd4 Qb6 18. Qxb6 axb6 19. Rfd1 Re5 20. f4 Re2 21. Nd4 Re4 22. Nf5 Nxb2 23. Rxd5 Rxf4

gd_barnes · 2016-03-03, 05:31

24. g3 to drive away the rook and allow us to play 25. Rd6 or Rd7, which will allow us to attack multiple pawns and eventually recover our pawn with a good drawing position.

WMHalsdorf · 2016-03-03, 08:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by gd_barnes

24. g3 to drive away the rook and allow us to play 25. Rd6 or Rd7, which will allow us to attack multiple pawns and eventually recover our pawn with a good drawing position.

Looks good to me.

Brian-E · 2016-03-03, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by gd_barnes

24. g3 to drive away the rook and allow us to play 25. Rd6 or Rd7, which will allow us to attack multiple pawns and eventually recover our pawn with a good drawing position.

Agreed. I don't see a reasonable alternative move and the strategy looks good for us.

Till · 2016-03-03, 15:20

Hi, I am new here in the chess corner. Maybe you permit me to join now and then

I think that 24. g3 would be followed by 24. ... Rc4, which helps black to defend its pawns and attacks our own c-pawn.

An alternative to g3 might be
24. Rb1 Na4/Nc4
25. Rd1

Now black is forced to move the h-pawn to avoid checkmate on d8. So

25. ... h5
26. Nh6+ Kg7/Kh7
27. Rxh5

The problem then is that we need to keep up the pressure, otherwise it will be easy for black to attack us with two rooks. I don't know if that'll work out. E.g. if black plays

27. ... Kg6

then we'ld have to move up the second rook to protect the other 2 figures...

So that's just an idea which looks interesting for me, but maybe it's not such a good one

science_man_88 · 2016-03-03, 15:31

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Originally Posted by Till

Now black is forced to move the h-pawn to avoid checkmate on d8.

would Rxf5 not work ? if so that stops the being trapped.

Till · 2016-03-03, 15:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by science_man_88

would Rxf5 not work ? if so that stops the being trapped.

Then we get a rook for a knight.

science_man_88 · 2016-03-03, 15:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Till

Then we get a rook for a knight.

okay but it stops d8 from being mate.

Till · 2016-03-03, 16:07

As usual many things can happen.
Best think of my contribution being the option
24. Rb1
and analyze the rest

WMHalsdorf · 2016-03-03, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Till

As usual many things can happen.
Best think of my contribution being the option
24. Rb1
and analyze the rest

24.Rb1 Nc4 25. Rad1 Rxf5 26. Rxf1 Ne3 27. Rdf1 the resulting position is not as easy to defend as 24.g3

Till · 2016-03-03, 17:18

24. Rb1 Nc4 looks strong to avoid some stuff but can be countered with
25. Rb4

EDIT:
Then we can get
25. ... Ne3
26. Rb4xf4 Ne3xd5
27. Rd4 ?

Hm, still difficult...

2016-03-03, 05:01	#1
MooMoo2 "Michael Kwok" Mar 2006 1180₁₀ Posts	Move 24 discussion: Everyone vs stockfish The poll for move 23 just closed, and the most popular move was Rxd5. Stockfish responded with 23...Rxf4, and the FEN is: r5k1/1p3p1p/1p3p2/3R1N2/5r2/8/PnP3PP/R5K1 w - - 0 24 Game so far: 1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. exd5 exd5 6. Bb5+ Bd7 7. Bxd7+ Nbxd7 8. O-O Be7 9. dxc5 Nxc5 10. Nb3 Nce4 11. Nfd4 O-O 12. Nf5 Re8 13. Nxe7+ Rxe7 14. f3 Nd6 15. Bg5 Nc4 16. Bxf6 gxf6 17. Qd4 Qb6 18. Qxb6 axb6 19. Rfd1 Re5 20. f4 Re2 21. Nd4 Re4 22. Nf5 Nxb2 23. Rxd5 Rxf4 Attached Thumbnails

2016-03-03, 17:18	#11
Till "Tilman Neumann" Jan 2016 Germany 534₁₀ Posts	24. Rb1 Nc4 looks strong to avoid some stuff but can be countered with 25. Rb4 EDIT: Then we can get 25. ... Ne3 26. Rb4xf4 Ne3xd5 27. Rd4 ? Hm, still difficult... Last fiddled with by Till on 2016-03-03 at 17:23 Reason: EDIT

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2016-03-03, 05:31	#2
gd_barnes "Gary" May 2007 Overland Park, KS 5×2,459 Posts	24. g3 to drive away the rook and allow us to play 25. Rd6 or Rd7, which will allow us to attack multiple pawns and eventually recover our pawn with a good drawing position.

2016-03-03, 15:20	#5
Till "Tilman Neumann" Jan 2016 Germany 2×3×89 Posts	Hi, I am new here in the chess corner. Maybe you permit me to join now and then I think that 24. g3 would be followed by 24. ... Rc4, which helps black to defend its pawns and attacks our own c-pawn. An alternative to g3 might be 24. Rb1 Na4/Nc4 25. Rd1 Now black is forced to move the h-pawn to avoid checkmate on d8. So 25. ... h5 26. Nh6+ Kg7/Kh7 27. Rxh5 The problem then is that we need to keep up the pressure, otherwise it will be easy for black to attack us with two rooks. I don't know if that'll work out. E.g. if black plays 27. ... Kg6 then we'ld have to move up the second rook to protect the other 2 figures... So that's just an idea which looks interesting for me, but maybe it's not such a good one

2016-03-03, 16:07	#9
Till "Tilman Neumann" Jan 2016 Germany 534₁₀ Posts	As usual many things can happen. Best think of my contribution being the option 24. Rb1 and analyze the rest