Move 19b discussion: Everyone vs Stockfish - Page 3

gd_barnes · 2016-07-25, 22:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

Only if we move back Qd4. But now our pawn in b2 is defended, and we should be stupid to do so, we exchange the queens and (as opposite to the former game where we would lose a move to defend the pawn) after axb6, a3, we are very good there. (edit: what I said during the former game, if we can hold those those pawns together, we don't play for draw anymore, we play for win!)

I think this (19 Qf2) is by far the best move.

Although I stand by my previous statements, I also feel like 19. Qf2 is a good move. Can you post some lines to convince us a little more?

LaurV · 2016-07-26, 07:03

I will, if Moomoo accepts me in the game. Give me till tonight Thai time (job job busy busy blearh

)

MooMoo2 · 2016-07-26, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

I will, if Moomoo accepts me in the game. Give me till tonight Thai time (job job busy busy blearh

)

If you didn't use Stockfish to analyze positions before move 20, you're in.

LaurV · 2016-07-27, 03:57

Thanks :)

Well, about that 19.Qf2 move, it is not so wonderful as I first said. I mean the move is good, but somehow (due to WMH's claim, but it is not his guilt) I was wrongly fixed on this idea that SF will reply Qb6. Of course he may not reply Qb6. After more look, black has other options too.

For example he can double the rocks on column e, to which I don't really have a good reply, beside of the Nd4. Actually Nd4 is a very good continuation for our 20th move, regardless (almost) of black's reply.

Also black can play aggressively and put the horse in e3, attacking the rook (I still have to decide if this is a good move for black, or it help us to move that rook). Definitively this position needs more thinking. If the time is short, don't wait for me, we can move to voting. If I have time I will post a little analysis tonight.

LaurV · 2016-07-27, 16:05

I think I will go with Gary's analysis in post #20. That is very good analysis resulting in a clear draw almost immediately.

The version with 19.Qf2 seems more promising, we have some advantage as we keep the pawns and black's pawns are not placed very fortunate, his mid pawn is weak as he can't really defend it, etc., but the hostilities result in a very complicate positional game after something like: 20.Nd4 Qb6 21.c3 Ne3 22.Rfe1 Re5

Up to here they are somehow forced, but then we have not much sente here, maybe we can play a3 or h3, it seems h3 is better, but then 23.h3 f5 24.f4 Re4 25.Re2 Nc4 and we are forced to exchange, and he connects the pawns in his (huge) advantage.

Maybe we can get more than a draw from here, but it will be extremely complicate. OTOH, it may be challenging...

richs · 2016-07-28, 16:53

I also have changed my mind against c3 following Gary's analysis, and I will vote accordingly.

2016-07-26, 07:03	#24
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	I will, if Moomoo accepts me in the game. Give me till tonight Thai time (job job busy busy blearh ) Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2016-07-26 at 07:03 Reason: s/my/Thai/

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2016-07-27, 03:57	#26
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41×251 Posts	Thanks :) Well, about that 19.Qf2 move, it is not so wonderful as I first said. I mean the move is good, but somehow (due to WMH's claim, but it is not his guilt) I was wrongly fixed on this idea that SF will reply Qb6. Of course he may not reply Qb6. After more look, black has other options too. For example he can double the rocks on column e, to which I don't really have a good reply, beside of the Nd4. Actually Nd4 is a very good continuation for our 20th move, regardless (almost) of black's reply. Also black can play aggressively and put the horse in e3, attacking the rook (I still have to decide if this is a good move for black, or it help us to move that rook). Definitively this position needs more thinking. If the time is short, don't wait for me, we can move to voting. If I have time I will post a little analysis tonight.

2016-07-27, 16:05	#27
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	I think I will go with Gary's analysis in post #20. That is very good analysis resulting in a clear draw almost immediately. The version with 19.Qf2 seems more promising, we have some advantage as we keep the pawns and black's pawns are not placed very fortunate, his mid pawn is weak as he can't really defend it, etc., but the hostilities result in a very complicate positional game after something like: 20.Nd4 Qb6 21.c3 Ne3 22.Rfe1 Re5 Up to here they are somehow forced, but then we have not much sente here, maybe we can play a3 or h3, it seems h3 is better, but then 23.h3 f5 24.f4 Re4 25.Re2 Nc4 and we are forced to exchange, and he connects the pawns in his (huge) advantage. Maybe we can get more than a draw from here, but it will be extremely complicate. OTOH, it may be challenging...

2016-07-28, 16:53	#28
richs "Rich" Aug 2002 Benicia, California 2×859 Posts	I also have changed my mind against c3 following Gary's analysis, and I will vote accordingly.