Move 20 - Page 2

davar55 · 2015-06-22, 07:36

I agree with Nd4 (a bit late).

I think their next is Qd1.
What are their other possibilities?
( I don't think they can go the 21. BxN NxQ 22. BxQ route.)

Brian-E · 2015-06-22, 07:53

[QUOTE=davar55;404561]I agree with Nd4 (a bit late).[/QUOTE]
Shame you didn't join in the discussion, but it's good that you're happy with the move.

[QUOTE]I think their next is Qd1.
What are their other possibilities?[/QUOTE]See WMH's post #4.

[QUOTE]( I don't think they can go the 21. BxN NxQ 22. BxQ route.)[/QUOTE]
Really? What have you seen? You need to tell us why you think that. (And please: do read the thread first to see what has already been said about that line.)

davar55 · 2015-06-24, 20:15

If they 21. Bxd7, we should exchange queens by 21...Nxc2 22, Bxc8
We can then take 22...Nc2xRa1 lettig their B on d8 off the hook.

Not I think 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 forgoing the Q exchange by
letting their Q move 22. Qd1

So they'll probably move 21. Qd1. Looking for our reply.

davar55 · 2015-06-24, 20:21

OK probably 21. Qd1 .. f5 as you both seem to think.

Then they 22. ?? I see no good move for them.

Brian-E · 2015-06-24, 22:57

[QUOTE=davar55;404738]If they 21. Bxd7, we should exchange queens by 21...Nxc2 22, Bxc8
We can then take 22...Nc2xRa1 lettig their B on d8 off the hook.

Not I think 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 forgoing the Q exchange by
letting their Q move 22. Qd1

So they'll probably move 21. Qd1. Looking for our reply.[/QUOTE]
Read WMH's post number #6 (correcting me when I originally said what you just said).

Brian-E · 2015-06-24, 22:59

[QUOTE=davar55;404739]OK probably 21. Qd1 .. f5 as you both seem to think.

Then they 22. ?? I see no good move for them.[/QUOTE]
For the record: I'm not at all sure we should reply 21...f5 if they play 21.Qd1. As I said in post #5, we only have to play 21...f5 if they play 21.Qa4.

davar55 · 2015-06-25, 19:18

I've re-looked at those posts. Am getting up to speed.

I'll accept that if they 21. Bxd7 then .. Nxc2 is premature because of the
pawn .threat (which I missed). So 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 is better. OK.

If 21. Qa4, then ..f5 looks right.

If 21. Qd3 or Qd3 then what? I'll get back to this.

Brian-E · 2015-06-26, 09:41

My inclination at the moment (lazy perhaps, but also pragmatic because we all have limited time) is to wait and see what they play. Both 21.Qd1 Qa6!? and 21.Qd3 Ne5!? are complicated-looking responses (they may be blunders, I haven't looked very carefully) which we'll need to consider carefully. Another, simpler, way of breaking the pin after either move is 21...Qb7. But they are the ones who need to expend the effort examining those lines at the moment. I'll look when we see which 21st move they plump for.

2015-06-22, 07:53	#13
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2·11·149 Posts	[QUOTE=davar55;404561]I agree with Nd4 (a bit late).[/QUOTE] Shame you didn't join in the discussion, but it's good that you're happy with the move. [QUOTE]I think their next is Qd1. What are their other possibilities?[/QUOTE]See WMH's post #4. [QUOTE]( I don't think they can go the 21. BxN NxQ 22. BxQ route.)[/QUOTE] Really? What have you seen? You need to tell us why you think that. (And please: do read the thread first to see what has already been said about that line.) Last fiddled with by Brian-E on 2015-06-22 at 07:53

2015-06-24, 22:59	#17
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2·11·149 Posts	[QUOTE=davar55;404739]OK probably 21. Qd1 .. f5 as you both seem to think. Then they 22. ?? I see no good move for them.[/QUOTE] For the record: I'm not at all sure we should reply 21...f5 if they play 21.Qd1. As I said in post #5, we only have to play 21...f5 if they play 21.Qa4. Last fiddled with by Brian-E on 2015-06-24 at 23:01

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2015-06-22, 07:36	#12
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	I agree with Nd4 (a bit late). I think their next is Qd1. What are their other possibilities? ( I don't think they can go the 21. BxN NxQ 22. BxQ route.)

2015-06-24, 20:15	#14
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	If they 21. Bxd7, we should exchange queens by 21...Nxc2 22, Bxc8 We can then take 22...Nc2xRa1 lettig their B on d8 off the hook. Not I think 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 forgoing the Q exchange by letting their Q move 22. Qd1 So they'll probably move 21. Qd1. Looking for our reply.

2015-06-24, 20:21	#15
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	OK probably 21. Qd1 .. f5 as you both seem to think. Then they 22. ?? I see no good move for them.

2015-06-24, 22:57	#16
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2×11×149 Posts	[QUOTE=davar55;404738]If they 21. Bxd7, we should exchange queens by 21...Nxc2 22, Bxc8 We can then take 22...Nc2xRa1 lettig their B on d8 off the hook. Not I think 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 forgoing the Q exchange by letting their Q move 22. Qd1 So they'll probably move 21. Qd1. Looking for our reply.[/QUOTE] Read WMH's post number #6 (correcting me when I originally said what you just said).

2015-06-25, 19:18	#18
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	I've re-looked at those posts. Am getting up to speed. I'll accept that if they 21. Bxd7 then .. Nxc2 is premature because of the pawn .threat (which I missed). So 21. Bxd7 .. Qxd7 is better. OK. If 21. Qa4, then ..f5 looks right. If 21. Qd3 or Qd3 then what? I'll get back to this.

2015-06-26, 09:41	#19
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2·11·149 Posts	My inclination at the moment (lazy perhaps, but also pragmatic because we all have limited time) is to wait and see what they play. Both 21.Qd1 Qa6!? and 21.Qd3 Ne5!? are complicated-looking responses (they may be blunders, I haven't looked very carefully) which we'll need to consider carefully. Another, simpler, way of breaking the pin after either move is 21...Qb7. But they are the ones who need to expend the effort examining those lines at the moment. I'll look when we see which 21st move they plump for.