Move 1

Brian-E · 2015-01-05, 20:46

They have opened 1.d4.

With davar55 probably away through January 7 our move will, I guess, be delayed at least until after that date. But I thought I'd start a thread for our first move already.

The two most common replies for Black are 1...Nf6 (very flexible and can lead to almost any QP opening), and 1...d5 which will often lead to the Queen's Gambit or to general closed QP openings if White refrains from playing c4.

Some other possibilities are 1...e6 (can transpose to the French defence if White plays 2.e4, or otherwise flexible), 1...d6 or 1...g6 (which invite the Pirc/Modern defence if White plays 2.e4, or in any case heading for a quick kingside bishop fianchetto), 1...f5 (Dutch defence, counterattacking but can be dubious positionally), 1...c5 (a type of Benoni), and one or two other rare, miscellaneous moves.

What are our individual preferences then? I'll state mine at some point later, but I'm flexible anyway. I've played most of the moves I listed above at some point in my own games, with the exception of the Dutch 1...f5.

WMHalsdorf · 2015-01-05, 22:24

I've pretty much played then all at one time or another. Always found
d5 leading to a draw more often than not, howeve Nf6 never ended in
a draw either a won or a loss.

davar55 · 2015-01-06, 16:28

I'm back for a time.

I agree about d5 response tending to draw, and it's what I have played most often (which is
still not that often). But I like this Nf6 suggestion, seems intuitively better than any other
pawn move than d5, AFAICS. So I'll go with that, until further discussion.

Brian-E · 2015-01-06, 22:08

I'll come out in favour of 1...Nf6 as well.

WMHalsdorf · 2015-01-06, 22:35

Since we all agree I'll post tomorrow so everyone can sleep on it.

Brian-E · 2015-01-07, 11:06

[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;391833]Since we all agree I'll post tomorrow so everyone can sleep on it.[/QUOTE]
Sounds good.:smile:

davar55 · 2015-01-07, 14:23

Today is the day that was tomorrow yesterday.

Ready for our first move.

davar55 · 2015-01-07, 21:06

I agree with Nf6. Didn't need to sleep on it.

davar55 · 2015-01-08, 18:14

I see we're at 1. d4 ... Nf6

If they move 2. c4 what do we respond? Or should we wait for their
second move first? I think it's your decision...

How much activity / interest is going on about this game in the
public threads? We're blind to it ....

Brian-E · 2015-01-08, 19:54

[QUOTE=davar55;391963]I see we're at 1. d4 ... Nf6

If they move 2. c4 what do we respond? Or should we wait for their
second move first? I think it's your decision...[/QUOTE]
We'll certainly have a crucial decision to make at move 2 if they play 2.c4.
There are two very different types of game to go for:
(1) Play 2...e6 and go for Nimzo-Indian/Queen's Indian/Queen's Gambit style openings.
(2) Play 2...g6 (or, more unusually 2...c5) and go for King's fianchetto openings - King's Indian, Gruenfeld, Benoni.

Do you two have a clear preference between these two styles?

[QUOTE]How much activity / interest is going on about this game in the
public threads? We're blind to it ....[/QUOTE]
No idea. We probably can't know unless we ask the spectators, and that's ethically a bit dubious. It's all supposed to be hidden from us.:smile:

WMHalsdorf · 2015-01-08, 20:33

1. d4 Nf6
Most likly replies.
2. c4
2. e3
2. Nc3
2. Nf3
2. Bg5

2015-01-05, 20:46	#1
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 2·11·149 Posts	Move 1 They have opened 1.d4. With davar55 probably away through January 7 our move will, I guess, be delayed at least until after that date. But I thought I'd start a thread for our first move already. The two most common replies for Black are 1...Nf6 (very flexible and can lead to almost any QP opening), and 1...d5 which will often lead to the Queen's Gambit or to general closed QP openings if White refrains from playing c4. Some other possibilities are 1...e6 (can transpose to the French defence if White plays 2.e4, or otherwise flexible), 1...d6 or 1...g6 (which invite the Pirc/Modern defence if White plays 2.e4, or in any case heading for a quick kingside bishop fianchetto), 1...f5 (Dutch defence, counterattacking but can be dubious positionally), 1...c5 (a type of Benoni), and one or two other rare, miscellaneous moves. What are our individual preferences then? I'll state mine at some point later, but I'm flexible anyway. I've played most of the moves I listed above at some point in my own games, with the exception of the Dutch 1...f5.

2015-01-07, 14:23	#7
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5×7×11² Posts	Today is the day that was tomorrow yesterday. Ready for our first move. Last fiddled with by davar55 on 2015-01-07 at 14:32

2015-01-08, 18:14	#9
davar55 May 2004 New York City 5·7·11² Posts	I see we're at 1. d4 ... Nf6 If they move 2. c4 what do we respond? Or should we wait for their second move first? I think it's your decision... How much activity / interest is going on about this game in the public threads? We're blind to it .... Last fiddled with by davar55 on 2015-01-08 at 18:17

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2015-01-05, 22:24	#2
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 3³·19 Posts	I've pretty much played then all at one time or another. Always found d5 leading to a draw more often than not, howeve Nf6 never ended in a draw either a won or a loss.

2015-01-06, 16:28	#3
davar55 May 2004 New York City 108B₁₆ Posts	I'm back for a time. I agree about d5 response tending to draw, and it's what I have played most often (which is still not that often). But I like this Nf6 suggestion, seems intuitively better than any other pawn move than d5, AFAICS. So I'll go with that, until further discussion.

2015-01-06, 22:08	#4
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 6316₈ Posts	I'll come out in favour of 1...Nf6 as well.

2015-01-06, 22:35	#5
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 3³×19 Posts	Since we all agree I'll post tomorrow so everyone can sleep on it.

2015-01-07, 11:06	#6
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 3278₁₀ Posts	[QUOTE=WMHalsdorf;391833]Since we all agree I'll post tomorrow so everyone can sleep on it.[/QUOTE] Sounds good.:smile:

2015-01-07, 21:06	#8
davar55 May 2004 New York City 4235₁₀ Posts	I agree with Nf6. Didn't need to sleep on it.

2015-01-08, 19:54	#10
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 6316₈ Posts	[QUOTE=davar55;391963]I see we're at 1. d4 ... Nf6 If they move 2. c4 what do we respond? Or should we wait for their second move first? I think it's your decision...[/QUOTE] We'll certainly have a crucial decision to make at move 2 if they play 2.c4. There are two very different types of game to go for: (1) Play 2...e6 and go for Nimzo-Indian/Queen's Indian/Queen's Gambit style openings. (2) Play 2...g6 (or, more unusually 2...c5) and go for King's fianchetto openings - King's Indian, Gruenfeld, Benoni. Do you two have a clear preference between these two styles? [QUOTE]How much activity / interest is going on about this game in the public threads? We're blind to it ....[/QUOTE] No idea. We probably can't know unless we ask the spectators, and that's ethically a bit dubious. It's all supposed to be hidden from us.:smile:

2015-01-08, 20:33	#11
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 1001₈ Posts	1. d4 Nf6 Most likly replies. 2. c4 2. e3 2. Nc3 2. Nf3 2. Bg5