I have a few questions about getting my GPU working for GIMPS

[Batalov]

Originally Posted by Red Raven

However, I am curious as to why there isn't a database that contains every known prime ever discovered period.

Expand on that thought.
Every known prime ever discovered?
Do you know that you can discover new primes faster than you will be able to write them to disk, let alone read them back?

The largest 5000 primes numbers known to man are here. If you have a couple weeks to spare, I suggest reading the whole website.

Originally Posted by Red Raven

In other words, is there a database that contains all known data on primes and factors?

Like this one (in Mersenne-only space)?
Or maybe this one (any prime or composite known to man :-0 ...well, potentially)?

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Hey, Gordon, find a million digit prime, then we can talk. Find a two million digit prime, then we can talk seriously. This is me returning you the same token you dispensed plenty already.

[LaurV]

Originally Posted by Batalov

Next thing, you know, you will start searching for additional factors for the candidates with already known factors (just to get your "score" higher in this artificial competition);

How can ye do this if taking the assignments from GPU72? (did ye actually READ my post?). How the enthusiasm and "competing for credit" is hurting GIMPS here? You (and RDS too) better threat your SIWOTI syndrome and let us "live and be wrong"
With my "credit whore" style (real or just simulated, who cares?) I brought more people to GIMPS than you ever contributed (hehe)

(So what? who gives a shit? let them find factors!)

[Batalov]

I have read your messages. They feature some slurred speech (which worries me: Raman's symptoms started similarly, complete with white text, too), disconnected ideas jumping around like fleas, non-sequiturs, not answering questions that were asked, answering "questions" that were never asked, bragging and factual errors.
Let me see: how can you beat (with all people who you allegedly brought to GIMPS) 2 million eliminated candidates times 10,000-25,000 saved GHz-days each? That's by my modest estimate somewhere above 30 billion saved GHz-days. You are a factor guy, isn't this the way you count the value of the found factors? Counting just the number of factors is also fine with me. Just catch up with me first and I will take a good nap in the meantime, like in that hare-and-tortoise fable. Surely, there were dozens of people who eliminated even more candidates, but I've not competed with them, I only modestly did what anyone would have done in my place.

But have you read my message? "The volunteering help is useful, no matter how little. Of course, you are free to take any route to deliver a package, maybe all the way around town (maybe you want to enjoy the sunset on your way). You can even help when all you own is a bicycle, not a car..." all that stuff. Ah, I hear you. Who has to time to read? Who has time to follow links? Who has time for fact-checking? Sure, shake the tree instead. By all means go around and brag about how much charity work you have done, and how little others have done. That's just the right spirit at any such volunteer based enterprise and makes wonders to the working atmosphere.

Now, your new competition is very exciting. Nowhere did I say that you shouldn't run it; I only asked not to wake me up too early - I simply must see the finish line and who will cross first. Your competition seems to go like this: you take two three-liter jars, fill them up with water, and put in a 1KW boiler spiral element in one (a R9 280x) and 1.5KW spiral in the other (a R9 290x or a 790, whatever). Then you plug them into the socket and boil the water. When you are done, you refill and boil some more. Ooooh, I cannot contain the excitement that overflows me! It is even better than watching the paint dry. Really. I love it! It's a great invention, nobody ever thought of that. And you are saying that people who you invited -- line up for that? Dude, good for you! Congratulations. And you set up all these competitions? Outstanding. Oh, wait a minute! I thought it was George and Chris, but thank you for correcting me.

Seriously, the guy (who you nicely branded "fresh meat" ...dude! you really have a way with words. Other people "hit them in the face", but you truly embrace him - "hey! welcome! we've been waiting for you! Fresh meat!") actually seems to be asking about science. He asks "how do these apples grow in that beautiful orchard of yours?" and you don't answer questions (that's for the eggheads), you helpfully tell to him that "you just shake trees really hard, and apples will fall!! C'mon, I'll beat you to the number of apples that you and I will shake down! There's no time to waste! Shake them right now!!" Right?

Amazingly, you also seem to think that thinking about the science behind GIMPS actually makes people worse "tree shakers" for GIMPS. Or frightens them away? Sheesh! This is not one of the threads where a person asks "how do I find more factors" and gets a response "you shouldn't be doing it". No, see what he asked, and what answers he received. He might learn something. That, of course, if he follows through with his self-declared interest in science (interest is always good; if you've lost yours, don't block the road of others, ok?).

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Note for USDA: this message is not related to agricultural workers whose literal job is to shake apple trees, and should not be construed as criticism or as disparaging remarks about that fine profession.

[LaurV]

Originally Posted by Batalov

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:hat:
(can't argue with you!)
(and you didn't detect the irony, someone who asks if there is a database with all known primes is hopeless, let them invest their time and resources in TF :P)
(we agree about Raman disease :P)

[Gordon]

Originally Posted by Batalov

Hey, Gordon, find a million digit prime, then we can talk. Find a two million digit prime, then we can talk seriously. This is me returning you the same token you dispensed plenty already.

Hey - nice of you to remind our newer readers that I belong to that very small, select group of people who have actually discovered a Mersenne prime...

..remind me again, how many have you found?

and before RDS chips in about someone else's code blah blah blah, it was MY computer, using MY electricity or will the claim now be that Curtis didn't actually find the ones he did...

[R.D. Silverman]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Hey - nice of you to remind our newer readers that I belong to that very small, select group of people who have actually discovered a Mersenne prime...

..remind me again, how many have you found?

and before RDS chips in about someone else's code blah blah blah, it was MY computer, using MY electricity or will the claim now be that Curtis didn't actually find the ones he did...

So? Why should anyone be impressed? Finding a Mersenne prime is
like winning a lottery. Why should others be impressed simply because
one gets lucky??? Why should others be impressed because one spends money to buy a ticket?

Especially when one uses black box code designed and
written by others for which one is too lazy to learn how it works?

It takes virtually no intellectual effort to run black box code that one
does not understand and for which one can't even be bothered to
understand. If one is somehow proud of this "accomplishment" one
sets the bar very low. I don't see winning the lottery as an "accomplishment".

[Mark Rose]

Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman

Especially when one uses black box code designed and
written by others for which one is too lazy to learn how it works?

I have to give you credit here. Part of the reason why I delved fully into mfaktc code was to fully understand how it works. LL testing is still beyond my knowledge level, but perhaps I will learn that, too, in time.

[alpertron]

Originally Posted by Batalov

Say what? Next thing, you know, you will start searching for additional factors for the candidates with already known factors (just to get your "score" higher in this artificial competition); not that it's something new - you can join the club of people already running this. There are people who search for more factors than necessary -- for a tiny chance to have the input number 'completely factored' (with a disclaimer) - but this satellite project is not GIMPS .

Well, what is the problem with that? For the record, I do not receive credits for the P-1 runs on Mersenne composite numbers where no factors are found (which are most of the attempts), so you can see that not everybody is here for the credits. I want to see if the statistics I computed in http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...&postcount=190 are OK or not.

[Batalov]

Originally Posted by alpertron

Well, what is the problem with that? For the record, I do not receive credits for the P-1 runs on Mersenne composite numbers where no factors are found (which are most of the attempts), so you can see that not everybody is here for the credits. I want to see if the statistics I computed in http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...&postcount=190 are OK or not.

There is no problem with what you are doing. I was just giving the newcomer "proper" tools for the "battle" with LaurV. ;-)

[Batalov]

Originally Posted by Gordon

Hey - nice of you to remind our newer readers that I belong to that very small, select group of people who have actually discovered a Mersenne prime...

..remind me again, how many have you found?

Ah, but that's easy.
But for the intellectually lazy - here's the link. Click the current primes?

I like the Eisenstein-Mersenne prime and a couple of Gaussian-Mersenne primes best, personally. But more than anything, I like variety. Not one of the people who order the same Chicken Piccata every time they go to an eatery. Or those who ate Chicken Piccata once in their life and then tell about it for the rest of their life.

[VBCurtis]

Mr Batalov is in rare form in this thread- good for quite a few laughs, and useful instruction besides. Thank you!