Collaboration with Primegrid or independent BOINC project

[rogue]

Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos

PrimeGrid stole the following projects without asking the members that were running them:

Sierpinski / Riesel Base 5 Problem (LLR) from mersenneforum.org
The Riesel Problem (LLR) from the original project (Lee)
Cullen Prime Search (LLR) from mersenneforum.org

And your evidence???

I was under the impression that all of these projects were languishing due to low participation or lack of interest. The Cullen Prime Search started over at ProthSearch, which I maintain. I have absolutely no issues with PrimeGrid taking it over.

[chalsall]

Originally Posted by rogue

I have absolutely no issues with PrimeGrid taking it over.

Did they formally ask you for permission?

[rogue]

Originally Posted by chalsall

Did they formally ask you for permission?

Yes. I would have reacted very differently had they not.

[Citrix]

I was talking about Prime Cullen prime (which was a very small subset of the main Cullen prime search). No one ever took permission from this project.

[rogue]

Originally Posted by Citrix

I was talking about Prime Cullen prime (which was a very small subset of the main Cullen prime search). No one ever took permission from this project.

I see. I cannot speak for that project.

[frmky]

I wouldn't be opposed to adding GPU TF to NFS@Home. It's not the core mission of the project, but we don't have any competing GPU apps right now.

[KEP]

Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos

Some real facts.
PrimeGrid stole the following projects without asking the members that were running them:

Sierpinski / Riesel Base 5 Problem (LLR) from mersenneforum.org
The Riesel Problem (LLR) from the original project (Lee)
Cullen Prime Search (LLR) from mersenneforum.org

Point taken, however I do believe that you are not quite fair. Sierpinski / Riesel Base 5 problem was practically dead on the mersenneforum and there were no interest from the projectmanager to take SR5 to BOINC, despite the fact that SR5 propably is going to genereate 10-20 megaprimes this year alone. Also currently at least 500 results is completed each day according to the last statement from the Primegrid folks, so SR5 has significantly gained from Primegrid taking over the effort.

The Riesel Problem, was manged by rieselsieve.com and it just vanished over night, with some people speculating that FBI had impounded the servers due to suspicion of the servers being used to support terrorism. I believe that was not the case, since it is more likely they may have ran out of personal time to spent or ran out of money. No matter what happened, the riesel problem did not progress at all untill Primegrid took up the effort to continue the work on the Riesel Problem.

So 2 out of 2 has gained from this "stealing". However I do also believe that the mersenne search would benefit the most from having it's own server, since Primegrid may be at the limit of what they with their mighty resources can progress sufficiently in a timely manner.

If the BOINC project becomes reality and it will offer only GPU work, then it is obvious that I at least won't be able to support the effort, however I do see a great potential to keep building a buffer. Especially if batches is created for each 10M or 25M, maybe combined with a special batch that gets rewarded to the most productive user in each range

Well to see where this should go and how the users feel, then let's have some of the mods set up a poll, where everyone can cast a vote on weather or not to go BOINC and if we should go BOINC, then what kind of main focus should be the concern of BOINC.

Thanks for all your replies and now just to make it clear once more, I first contacted Prime95 about considering BOINC and he referred me to chalsall who encouraged me to create this thread and get the debate started. So here we are

Take care

KEP

[KEP]

Originally Posted by frmky

I wouldn't be opposed to adding GPU TF to NFS@Home. It's not the core mission of the project, but we don't have any competing GPU apps right now.

If this is the easiest and you think that your users doesn't have a problem with that, then I think this might be a very good offer, since your project appears to be about factoring and you can then offer a GPU project to your users, wich might help you by attracting new users to your project