Black 30th - Page 3

LaurV · 2013-06-18, 02:46

So, should we go with the safer? :smile:

Sm88, what do you think? Rc1 or Bc7?

If no objection, then I will post Bc7 tonight.

science_man_88 · 2013-06-18, 12:45

[QUOTE=LaurV;343716]So, should we go with the safer? :smile:

Sm88, what do you think? Rc1 or Bc7?

If no objection, then I will post Bc7 tonight.[/QUOTE]

bc7 seems better to me I don't see what Rc1 accomplishes where bc7 gets our bishop free.

science_man_88 · 2013-06-26, 14:41

Bb7 is the response

LaurV · 2013-06-26, 16:55

expected, they can't do nothing except waiting moves. We should finish what we started, [B]Bb6[/B], and let's see how they avoid the mate...

WMHalsdorf · 2013-06-26, 17:20

Fine by me.

science_man_88 · 2013-06-26, 18:35

I don't see anything to object with so it's fine here as well.

science_man_88 · 2013-06-30, 23:56

h4 seems to be the reply

WMHalsdorf · 2013-07-01, 03:01

And nothing screams louder than Re7!!

LaurV · 2013-07-01, 06:06

Indeed, hehe.. Loud scream!

But is it good? First impression is that the queen escapes after 34..Re7 35.Nd4 Bxd4 (we can not take the bishop, they get off with Qe2 for good, if we left the column, and then later we may be forced to carefully guard against an eternal check, that queen is dangerous if it gets out) 36.cxd4 Rxb7 37.Qxf4 (and out again, we don't have a strong attack to keep the queen there).

I think this is a trap, they did it on purpose. :smile:
We need to continue with what we discussed before (your ideas, in fact, both of them!), either Bd3 or Rc1. Both are very good attacks to that queen (and the king too!). Even Rc3 is good, it destroy white's pawns and the queen can't escape with Qe2 (as in the Re7 variant), because Rc2 and queen is lost anyhow (blocking with the horse in d2, lose the horse for free, as both rooks attack the horse)...

science_man_88 · 2013-07-01, 11:25

[QUOTE=LaurV;344937]Indeed, hehe.. Loud scream!

But is it good? First impression is that the queen escapes after 34..Re7 35.Nd4 Bxd4 (we can not take the bishop, they get off with Qe2 for good, if we left the column, and then later we may be forced to carefully guard against an eternal check, that queen is dangerous if it gets out) 36.cxd4 Rxb7 37.Qxf4 (and out again, we don't have a strong attack to keep the queen there).

I think this is a trap, they did it on purpose. :smile:
We need to continue with what we discussed before (your ideas, in fact, both of them!), either Bd3 or Rc1. Both are very good attacks to that queen (and the king too!). Even Rc3 is good, it destroy white's pawns and the queen can't escape with Qe2 (as in the Re7 variant), because Rc2 and queen is lost anyhow (blocking with the horse in d2, lose the horse for free, as both rooks attack the horse)...[/QUOTE]

what about Bg4 we attack the knight there's only 2 safe places to go if it goes to the place where it attacks the bishop the bishop moves to h3 and we win, the problem is forcing the knight to h2.

WMHalsdorf · 2013-07-01, 14:45

I like Rxc3 since it forces a favorable exchange of material if white wants to
avoid a quick mate.

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2013-06-18, 02:46	#23
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	So, should we go with the safer? :smile: Sm88, what do you think? Rc1 or Bc7? If no objection, then I will post Bc7 tonight.

2013-06-18, 12:45	#24
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;343716]So, should we go with the safer? :smile: Sm88, what do you think? Rc1 or Bc7? If no objection, then I will post Bc7 tonight.[/QUOTE] bc7 seems better to me I don't see what Rc1 accomplishes where bc7 gets our bishop free.

2013-06-26, 14:41	#25
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	Bb7 is the response

2013-06-26, 16:55	#26
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41×251 Posts	expected, they can't do nothing except waiting moves. We should finish what we started, [B]Bb6[/B], and let's see how they avoid the mate...

2013-06-26, 17:20	#27
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 3³×19 Posts	Fine by me.

2013-06-26, 18:35	#28
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	I don't see anything to object with so it's fine here as well.

2013-06-30, 23:56	#29
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	h4 seems to be the reply

2013-07-01, 03:01	#30
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 3³·19 Posts	And nothing screams louder than Re7!!

2013-07-01, 06:06	#31
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 10100000110011₂ Posts	Indeed, hehe.. Loud scream! But is it good? First impression is that the queen escapes after 34..Re7 35.Nd4 Bxd4 (we can not take the bishop, they get off with Qe2 for good, if we left the column, and then later we may be forced to carefully guard against an eternal check, that queen is dangerous if it gets out) 36.cxd4 Rxb7 37.Qxf4 (and out again, we don't have a strong attack to keep the queen there). I think this is a trap, they did it on purpose. :smile: We need to continue with what we discussed before (your ideas, in fact, both of them!), either Bd3 or Rc1. Both are very good attacks to that queen (and the king too!). Even Rc3 is good, it destroy white's pawns and the queen can't escape with Qe2 (as in the Re7 variant), because Rc2 and queen is lost anyhow (blocking with the horse in d2, lose the horse for free, as both rooks attack the horse)...

2013-07-01, 11:25	#32
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;344937]Indeed, hehe.. Loud scream! But is it good? First impression is that the queen escapes after 34..Re7 35.Nd4 Bxd4 (we can not take the bishop, they get off with Qe2 for good, if we left the column, and then later we may be forced to carefully guard against an eternal check, that queen is dangerous if it gets out) 36.cxd4 Rxb7 37.Qxf4 (and out again, we don't have a strong attack to keep the queen there). I think this is a trap, they did it on purpose. :smile: We need to continue with what we discussed before (your ideas, in fact, both of them!), either Bd3 or Rc1. Both are very good attacks to that queen (and the king too!). Even Rc3 is good, it destroy white's pawns and the queen can't escape with Qe2 (as in the Re7 variant), because Rc2 and queen is lost anyhow (blocking with the horse in d2, lose the horse for free, as both rooks attack the horse)...[/QUOTE] what about Bg4 we attack the knight there's only 2 safe places to go if it goes to the place where it attacks the bishop the bishop moves to h3 and we win, the problem is forcing the knight to h2.

2013-07-01, 14:45	#33
WMHalsdorf Feb 2005 Bristol, CT 3³·19 Posts	I like Rxc3 since it forces a favorable exchange of material if white wants to avoid a quick mate.