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Old 2013-07-07, 19:32   #177
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Indeed, Intel moved from solder to TIM with Ivy Bridge.
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Intel even has a patent for fluxless solder to heat-spreaders

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Old 2013-07-07, 19:41   #178
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Indeed, Intel moved from solder to TIM with Ivy Bridge.
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Intel even has a patent for fluxless solder to heat-spreaders
So let me get this straight ... Intel charges ~$250 a pop for top-of-the-line CPUs ... with their volume manufacturing they could surely use top-quality liquid-metal-style TIM for less than $1 a chip ... they even patented such a technology ... only to abandon it in the latest, greatest and hottest chips. Grand, just grand.
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Old 2013-07-07, 19:55   #179
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High-end (Xeon) chips might use solder.

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Old 2013-07-08, 12:31   #180
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Both the Indigo and Coollaboratory products are at FrozenCPU, but the Liquid Pro is out of stock.
http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l1/g8/T...Interface.html
I did not look closely enough. It appears that Liquid Pro may have been replaced with Liquid Ultra. At least, the latter is in stock (and costs a couple of bucks more.)
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Old 2013-07-16, 18:53   #181
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OK, here is the first comparisons of prime95 with FMA3 coding optimizations. Haswell at 4.2GHz, DDR3-2400 memory.

First, timings with version 27.9.

Code:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz
CPU speed: 4200.00 MHz, 4 cores
Prime95 64-bit version 27.9, RdtscTiming=1
Best time for 768K FFT length: 3.08 ms., avg: 3.15 ms.
Best time for 896K FFT length: 3.80 ms., avg: 3.85 ms.
Best time for 1024K FFT length: 4.22 ms., avg: 4.64 ms.
Best time for 1280K FFT length: 5.42 ms., avg: 5.44 ms.
Best time for 1536K FFT length: 6.62 ms., avg: 6.66 ms.
Best time for 1792K FFT length: 7.94 ms., avg: 8.03 ms.
Best time for 2048K FFT length: 8.82 ms., avg: 8.90 ms.
Best time for 2560K FFT length: 11.38 ms., avg: 11.43 ms.
Best time for 3072K FFT length: 13.86 ms., avg: 13.91 ms.
Best time for 3584K FFT length: 16.95 ms., avg: 17.00 ms.
Best time for 4096K FFT length: 18.78 ms., avg: 18.84 ms.
Best time for 5120K FFT length: 24.69 ms., avg: 24.74 ms.
Best time for 6144K FFT length: 29.37 ms., avg: 29.49 ms.
Best time for 7168K FFT length: 35.22 ms., avg: 35.30 ms.
Best time for 8192K FFT length: 41.07 ms., avg: 41.17 ms.

LL test of M77000003 (4M FFT):
One worker = 18.8 ms
Two workers = 19.1 ms
Three workers = 20.1 ms
Four workers = 22.7 ms

Small torture test temps (4 cores):  78 / 74  / 72 /  70
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Old 2013-07-16, 18:56   #182
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Now, with FMA3 enabled code (version 28.1). I still need to add FMA3 to the carry propagation code, so timings should get a smidge better.

Code:
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K CPU @ 3.40GHz
CPU speed: 4200.00 MHz
Prime95 64-bit version 28.1, RdtscTiming=1
Best time for 768K FFT length: 2.655 ms., avg: 2.689 ms.
Best time for 896K FFT length: 3.158 ms., avg: 3.266 ms.
Best time for 1024K FFT length: 3.605 ms., avg: 3.808 ms.
Best time for 1280K FFT length: 4.675 ms., avg: 4.707 ms.
Best time for 1536K FFT length: 5.849 ms., avg: 5.908 ms.
Best time for 1792K FFT length: 6.841 ms., avg: 6.855 ms.
Best time for 2048K FFT length: 7.836 ms., avg: 7.863 ms.
Best time for 2560K FFT length: 9.985 ms., avg: 10.015 ms.
Best time for 3072K FFT length: 11.827 ms., avg: 11.884 ms.
Best time for 3584K FFT length: 14.141 ms., avg: 14.161 ms.
Best time for 4096K FFT length: 16.585 ms., avg: 16.650 ms.
Best time for 5120K FFT length: 20.244 ms., avg: 20.795 ms.
Best time for 6144K FFT length: 25.213 ms., avg: 25.235 ms.
Best time for 7168K FFT length: 29.142 ms., avg: 29.162 ms.
Best time for 8192K FFT length: 36.826 ms., avg: 36.936 ms.

M77000003
One worker = 16.6 ms
Two workers = 17.2 ms
Three workers = 18.6 ms
Four workers = 21.8 ms

Small torture test temps:  86 / 83  / 80 /  78

Notice the temp increase on the small FFT torture test! These small FFTs operate out of the L2 cache. I'm going to try a really small torture test that operates out of the L1 cache to see if I can get the temps even higher.
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Old 2013-07-16, 19:00   #183
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...I'm going to try a really small torture test that operates out of the L1 cache to see if I can get the temps even higher.
George is a Scientist! (not that I ever doubted that. With capital S, for sure.)
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Old 2013-07-16, 19:32   #184
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Very nice!

I wonder how DDR4 will affect the performance once consumer chips start supporting it.
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Old 2013-07-16, 21:40   #185
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And what will be performance increase with AVX2? ( if it will be any)
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Old 2013-07-16, 22:21   #186
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Any ideas as to why the time per iteration is going up every time you add a worker? When I did my tests, I had 0.011 seconds at one, two or three workers and only saw the drop to 0.014 seconds when I added the fourth.
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Old 2013-07-16, 22:39   #187
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Memory bottleneck.
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