Haswell Preview Benchmark - Page 13

Prime95 · 2013-06-18, 13:46

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Originally Posted by ewmayer

Thing is amazingly quiet with the stock cooler - running under full load.

I'm curious, how hot do the cores get when running the small FFT torture test?

ewmayer · 2013-06-19, 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prime95

Don't forget to set RAM to one of the XMP profiles in the BIOS. The BIOS boot screen will tell you the current memory speed.

I had a glance at the bios-boot screen after installing the memory, it said "running at 1600 MHz". George, you have the same brand of RAM - what speed/voltage are you running the RAM at? And, if greater than the BIOS-set default of 1600, does it make sense to bump this up independently of CPU clocking?

The RAM packaging says "ddr3 2400", so why is the default clocking just 2/3 of that? Is the 2400 the maximum rated speed, but 1600 the 'advisable' speed?

[Sorry, n00b to OCing here].

TheJudger · 2013-06-19, 11:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewmayer

The RAM packaging says "ddr3 2400", so why is the default clocking just 2/3 of that? Is the 2400 the maximum rated speed, but 1600 the 'advisable' speed?

Your RAM is capable of DDR3-2400 but your CPU officially supports "only" DDR3-1600. Everything above DDR3-1600 is simply overclocking (aka running out of spec). Your BIOS (ok, ok EFI) should stay on the save (supported) side with default settings, thus memory runs at DDR3-1600 speeds. As George allready said: try XMP profiles. If this doesn't work try manuall OC.

Oliver

kladner · 2013-06-19, 11:51

If it's rated at 2400, you can certainly go there, and it should work at default voltage. My RAM on a previous board was rated at 1600, but defaulted to 1333. I'm not sure why this happens.

EDIT: Now I know. Thanks, Oliver.

Batalov · 2013-06-19, 17:38

Motherboards all have different instructions, so the best way to find out is to RTFM of the exact motherboard. I flipped through the ASUS mobo's PDF and it is very detailed and has a screenshot of every step (it is even too detailed).

Also, get the latest BIOS onto a USB stick and reflash if desired. (It probably is not needed for the X87s - they just came out. Or maybe not! Most BIOS patches are released in the very few first months and then there are no updates for years.)

ewmayer · 2013-06-19, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJudger

Your RAM is capable of DDR3-2400 but your CPU officially supports "only" DDR3-1600. Everything above DDR3-1600 is simply overclocking (aka running out of spec). Your BIOS (ok, ok EFI) should stay on the save (supported) side with default settings, thus memory runs at DDR3-1600 speeds. As George allready said: try XMP profiles. If this doesn't work try manuall OC.

Oliver

OK, I'm looking at the available profiles - the help description says "xmp is the overclocking by memory module. This item will be available when you install the memory modules that support xmp technology."

Does the fact that I was able to toggle the profiles in the menu mean that my dimms support xmp? (The above wording is ambiguous in that regard.)

I see 'profile 1':
ddr3 2400MHz 10-12-12-31 1.650V
DRAM Timing Mode [selectable between Auto / Link / Unlink]

What does the latter auto/link/unlink setting do?

'profile 2' has same ddr3 numbers ... maybe those are to be able to have one profile 'Auto' and the other, say, 'Link'?

Those are the only listed profiles.

Will the above xmp settings crank the dram frequency right up to 2400? I'd rather ratchet it up incrementally (say 1800, 2000, etc) and let each setting run for a few hours to check for instability.

TObject · 2013-06-19, 20:08

XMP profiles are there so you do not have to mess with manual settings.

Memory modules may have one or more XMP profiles encoded in them. The idea is, you select the XMP profile you want, save your settings, and that is it.

An XMP profile is a shortcut to several manual settings applied in one swoop.

You can further tweak individual settings manually, if you want, but that is not required.

kladner · 2013-06-19, 21:06

"Linked" and "Unlinked" sound like what my board calls "Ganged" and "Unganged". On mine, it indicates whether the two memory channels are in tandem or operating independently. I believe that Ganged is possibly beneficial to systems which give most of their resources to a single task. Unganged is more responsive to multi-tasking. (This assumes that the terminology is equivalent.)

ewmayer · 2013-06-19, 22:56

OK, I did a bunch of memory-speed-based timing tests, all using the params of my ongoing multi-month primality test of F28 (known to be composite already via small factor, but full residue still useful), that is Mlucas_AVX running in Fermat-mod transform mode at FFT length 15360K, on all 4 cores of my 3.40 GHz Haswell system. The first 2 lines [test 1-2] are timings using BIOS-set defaults for the 2 kinds of RAM I tried; the next 4 lines [3-6] are result of manually upping the RAM speed from default 1600 MHz to 2400 MHz in 200-MHz increments; the final 3 lines [7-9] are for the XMP-menu preset memory-overclock "Profile 1" for each of the 3 available DRAM timing modes:

Code:

Test#   DRAM settings    sec/iter
[1] ddr3 1333 @1333 MHz: 0.0842
[2] ddr3 2400 @1600 MHz: 0.0755
[3] ddr3 2400 @1800 MHz: 0.0720
[4] ddr3 2400 @2000 MHz: 0.0699
[5] ddr3 2400 @2200 MHz: 0.0652
[6] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz: 0.0625
[7] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode =   Auto: 0.0625
[8] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode =   Link: 0.0624
[9] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode = Unlink: 0.0624

The last 2 settings [either link/unlink selected] activate the Advance DRAM Configuration menu, which is a whole laundry list of latencies and such, which I didn't touch.

I also tried XMP profile 2: 0.0626 sec/iter (i.e. slower, if the difference is even meaningful)

...And disable-turbo-boost: 0.0628 sec/iter, so I re-enabled that.

Upshot: Swapping the older 1333@1333MHz for the 2400@1600MHz gives ~10% speedup. Cranking up the clocking on the new memory from 1600 to 2400 MHz gives another ~17% boost. Nice.

nucleon · 2013-06-20, 01:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by ewmayer

Upshot: Swapping the older 1333@1333MHz for the 2400@1600MHz gives ~10% speedup. Cranking up the clocking on the new memory from 1600 to 2400 MHz gives another ~17% boost. Nice.

Awesome work.

-- Craig

ewmayer · 2013-06-22, 22:11

Funny thing happened last night - I was in bed but not yet asleep, when I heard the Haswell CPU fan - case is sitting open on my desk about 4 feet away from my head - suddenly slow down for about 1 second, before resuming back to normal speed. That got me wondering, so I listened for another half-hour, same thing happened several more times. Then I noticed that this was happening every 10 minutes, almost to the minute - and my per-iteration time for 4-threaded F28 run is currently 0.0615 seconds. It's the savefile writes, which occur every 10000 iterations ... I use an SSD so there's no disk-write noise, but the brief interval in which multithreaded crunching stops and the current floating-point residue gets converted to bytewise endian-independent form and written to disk is enough to cause an audible "hiccup" in CPU fan speed.

"I can hear it working" (or 'not working', in this case).

2013-06-19, 11:51	#136
kladner "Kieren" Jul 2011 In My Own Galaxy! 2·3·1,693 Posts	If it's rated at 2400, you can certainly go there, and it should work at default voltage. My RAM on a previous board was rated at 1600, but defaulted to 1333. I'm not sure why this happens. EDIT: Now I know. Thanks, Oliver. Last fiddled with by kladner on 2013-06-19 at 11:52

2013-06-19, 17:38	#137
Batalov "Serge" Mar 2008 Phi(4,2^7658614+1)/2 9,497 Posts	Motherboards all have different instructions, so the best way to find out is to RTFM of the exact motherboard. I flipped through the ASUS mobo's PDF and it is very detailed and has a screenshot of every step (it is even too detailed). Also, get the latest BIOS onto a USB stick and reflash if desired. (It probably is not needed for the X87s - they just came out. Or maybe not! Most BIOS patches are released in the very few first months and then there are no updates for years.) Last fiddled with by Batalov on 2013-06-19 at 17:40 Reason: latest BIOS?

2013-06-19, 22:56	#141
ewmayer ∂²ω=0 Sep 2002 República de California 26577₈ Posts	OK, I did a bunch of memory-speed-based timing tests, all using the params of my ongoing multi-month primality test of F28 (known to be composite already via small factor, but full residue still useful), that is Mlucas_AVX running in Fermat-mod transform mode at FFT length 15360K, on all 4 cores of my 3.40 GHz Haswell system. The first 2 lines [test 1-2] are timings using BIOS-set defaults for the 2 kinds of RAM I tried; the next 4 lines [3-6] are result of manually upping the RAM speed from default 1600 MHz to 2400 MHz in 200-MHz increments; the final 3 lines [7-9] are for the XMP-menu preset memory-overclock "Profile 1" for each of the 3 available DRAM timing modes: Code: Test# DRAM settings sec/iter [1] ddr3 1333 @1333 MHz: 0.0842 [2] ddr3 2400 @1600 MHz: 0.0755 [3] ddr3 2400 @1800 MHz: 0.0720 [4] ddr3 2400 @2000 MHz: 0.0699 [5] ddr3 2400 @2200 MHz: 0.0652 [6] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz: 0.0625 [7] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode = Auto: 0.0625 [8] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode = Link: 0.0624 [9] ddr3 2400 @2400 MHz, DRAM timing mode = Unlink: 0.0624 The last 2 settings [either link/unlink selected] activate the Advance DRAM Configuration menu, which is a whole laundry list of latencies and such, which I didn't touch. I also tried XMP profile 2: 0.0626 sec/iter (i.e. slower, if the difference is even meaningful) ...And disable-turbo-boost: 0.0628 sec/iter, so I re-enabled that. Upshot: Swapping the older 1333@1333MHz for the 2400@1600MHz gives ~10% speedup. Cranking up the clocking on the new memory from 1600 to 2400 MHz gives another ~17% boost. Nice.

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2013-06-19, 20:08	#139
TObject Feb 2012 625₈ Posts	XMP profiles are there so you do not have to mess with manual settings. Memory modules may have one or more XMP profiles encoded in them. The idea is, you select the XMP profile you want, save your settings, and that is it. An XMP profile is a shortcut to several manual settings applied in one swoop. You can further tweak individual settings manually, if you want, but that is not required.

2013-06-19, 21:06	#140
kladner "Kieren" Jul 2011 In My Own Galaxy! 2×3×1,693 Posts	"Linked" and "Unlinked" sound like what my board calls "Ganged" and "Unganged". On mine, it indicates whether the two memory channels are in tandem or operating independently. I believe that Ganged is possibly beneficial to systems which give most of their resources to a single task. Unganged is more responsive to multi-tasking. (This assumes that the terminology is equivalent.)

2013-06-22, 22:11	#143
ewmayer ∂²ω=0 Sep 2002 República de California 19·613 Posts	Funny thing happened last night - I was in bed but not yet asleep, when I heard the Haswell CPU fan - case is sitting open on my desk about 4 feet away from my head - suddenly slow down for about 1 second, before resuming back to normal speed. That got me wondering, so I listened for another half-hour, same thing happened several more times. Then I noticed that this was happening every 10 minutes, almost to the minute - and my per-iteration time for 4-threaded F28 run is currently 0.0615 seconds. It's the savefile writes, which occur every 10000 iterations ... I use an SSD so there's no disk-write noise, but the brief interval in which multithreaded crunching stops and the current floating-point residue gets converted to bytewise endian-independent form and written to disk is enough to cause an audible "hiccup" in CPU fan speed. "I can hear it working" (or 'not working', in this case).