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Old 2013-03-09, 22:13   #1
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We're pretty much committed to Nxf1.
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Old 2013-03-10, 06:44   #2
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[QUOTE=Dubslow;332580]We're pretty much committed to Nxf1.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, I vote for it. It is somehow forced, and let's pray they beat the bishop in b7 with their bishop, and not the knight in f1 with the king... (beating the knight with the queen would be even better for us :razz:)
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Old 2013-03-10, 14:18   #3
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I'll agree since I see no way out.
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Old 2013-03-10, 15:04   #4
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[COLOR=Black][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][STRIKE][/COLOR][COLOR=White]over onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], thereby ,

[/COLOR][COLOR=White]22. Qa4 Bxe4
22. Qc1 Nxf1

But, that for the 22. Qb1, I will seriously cast my own vote onto for the 22...Bxe4 into play initially. No joke! Or rather than for the 22...Nxf1, than it into play, instead that this 22...Bxe4 may be
might be turning out into be, being a winning route, way, certainly, within into play. Not surely certain, definite enough for the 22...Nxf1 taking it out, within into certainly playing them out some way off for the play over onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], thereby , position decision making . They are be, certainly, some, way, being , can be, certainly, some, way, being a drawing route, way, certainly,
, certainly , onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], certainly , precise play perfectly, certainly, into positioning decision making for the play into both sides, within, certainly.

same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , ,

Finding it out into them, within, [/COLOR][COLOR=White]onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]for the 22...Nxf1, they [/COLOR][COLOR=White]we[/COLOR][COLOR=White] certainly [/COLOR][COLOR=White]do not want wishing [/COLOR][COLOR=White]in[/COLOR][COLOR=White]to be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]losing our own light coloured bishop, preferred for the b7 square,

[/COLOR][COLOR=White]onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]into under lying play position decision making within from among

[/COLOR][COLOR=White]onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]22...Bxe4 may be into under lying play position might be some safer enough route, not some dangerous enough way in order to go ahead onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], into under lying play position decision making within from among onto[/COLOR][COLOR=White] be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White],
[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]
Yes,

that always that

way

First, capturing out their own bishop, and then capturing their own rooks into under lying play position decision making

22. Qb1 Bxe4 23. Qxe4 Nxf1
not rebelling own argument application
22. Qb1 Nxf1 ??[/COLOR][COLOR=White] over onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], thereby ,
[/COLOR][COLOR=White] , certainly , not for the other way round over onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], thereby position decision making , by making usage for them , for the attacking their own queen into these own place within , onto [/COLOR][COLOR=White]be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]those own process from among within into onto [/COLOR][COLOR=White]be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]into onto be being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White]just simply for the play for the play into onto [/COLOR][COLOR=White]be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], [/COLOR][COLOR=White]within from among within , certainly , [/COLOR][COLOR=White]over onto be, being [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White], thereby , [/COLOR][COLOR=Black][/STRIKE]
[/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/COLOR]

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Old 2013-03-10, 15:23   #5
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[I]22. Qa4 Bxe4[/I]
[I]22. Qc1 Nxf1[/I]
[U]22. Qb1[/U] [STRIKE]22...Nxf1[/STRIKE] [B]22... Bxe4[/B]
But, that for the 22. Qb1, I will seriously cast my own vote onto for the 22...Bxe4 into play initially. No joke!
Or rather than for the 22...Nxf1, than it into play, instead that this 22...Bxe4 may be
might be turning out into be, being into a winning route , way, certainly within
for the play
Not surely certain, definite enough for the 22...Nxf1 taking it out some way route, way, certainly off for the play
can be, being a drawing route, way, certainly

onto precise play perfectly, certainly for the both sides

Finding it out for the 22...Nxf1 we certainly do not want losing our own light coloured bishop for the b7 square

First, capturing out their own bishop, and then capturing their own rooks into under lying play position

22. Qb1 Bxe4 23. Qxe4 Nxf1
not
22. Qb1 Nxf1 ?? over thereby ,

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Old 2013-03-10, 15:49   #6
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They won't take the bishop, be at ease. If they do, we won. Wanna play? :P

edit: 22 Qb1 Nxf1 23 Bxb7 Nd2. Your move as white?

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Old 2013-03-10, 16:16   #7
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[COLOR=Black][QUOTE=LaurV;332662]They won't take the bishop, be at ease. If they do, we won. Wanna play? :P[/QUOTE]


Why so thus? How can you be able to anticipate that it into advance within? Do you do so [/COLOR]this for[COLOR=Black] the surity [/COLOR][COLOR=Black]
[/COLOR][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][STRIKE][COLOR=White]Why so thus? [/COLOR][/STRIKE][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP]
[SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][STRIKE][COLOR=White]surely. Sure enough surer [/COLOR][COLOR=White]
ratio factor
within from among within[/COLOR][COLOR=White], within , into into be being that own way , this own process , it into them [/COLOR][COLOR=White]within[/COLOR][COLOR=White], within , into into
[/COLOR][COLOR=White]within[/COLOR][COLOR=White], within , into into some way
[/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , ,
[/COLOR][COLOR=White]so, thus?

thus, why so, thus?
[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]for the
of r the
[/COLOR][COLOR=White]within[/COLOR][COLOR=White], within , into into play[/COLOR][COLOR=White] ratio factor[/COLOR][COLOR=White] , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][COLOR=White]same colour, differently, some way, route, certainly, samely, same, opposite, way, oppositely, wayly, colour, colourly , , , , , , certainly , , , , , , [/COLOR][/STRIKE][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP]

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Old 2013-03-10, 16:23   #8
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[QUOTE=LaurV;332662]
edit: 22 Qb1 Nxf1 23 Bxb7 Nd2. Your move as white?[/QUOTE]
24. Qe1
move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Nd5 20. Rbd1 Nxe3 21. Rxd8 Raxd8 22. Qb1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1
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Man, this is black sure win, I already analyzed it in the main game before. Here it may be a situation where your engine is cheating on you, because the control on the center, and the mobility of the queen. They may tell you that 24...Rf7 or Rd3 or b5 are "good moves", and the "end is far away", but after 24...exf4, the situation for white deteriorates rapidly, as he need to give a heavy piece for that pawn. Practically, now I (black) can exchange all the material I can, and even if at the end we are queen against a single rock, you will have to give the queen for the pawn. You can't win. At most you can get a draw here, but only if I am drunk when I move...

So, [B]24...exf4[/B], and let's see how you stop the pawn from transforming.
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1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Nd5 20. Rbd1 Nxe3 21. Rxd8 Raxd8 22. Qb1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 exf4
25. Nd4
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f3 (told you I am going to make a queen!)
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