Let's vote the black 21st move

[LaurV]

They killed our pretty queen. (missing the smiley who cries, throwing tears from his eyes at one meter in front of him, I think I have seen that on some messenger program)...

Let's see how I can add a poll here... I don't want later on that other people say we lost because of me insisting to play without the queen... I wanted long time to see how do we add a poll to a post... even if I have that feeling the adversaries can see public polls, regardles of the topics they are, but well, that is only me being paranoid...

So, we can now take their queen in return, and have a "safe" game toward a sure draw (life is better without them anyhow, but don't tell that to my wife..), but no risk no gain, you know... I voted for the risk...

edit: Grrrr, now I voted I see I am stupid... technically, the second option is 21..Nxc2, just a stupid typo... how the hack I edit a poll??

[Raman]

21...♜axd8 :question:

[Raman]

22. fxe5 would have been a lovely move in line for them, the,
to be of [COLOR=White]r[/COLOR] the opponent's team. Don't you think so, thus?

thus, why so, thus?

22...Rxf1#

move line
for the
side game
[COLOR=White]of r the[/COLOR]
they go[COLOR=White]es that[/COLOR] this way as it follows as within it [COLOR=White]into them , from among within into be being[/COLOR]
[COLOR=White]played play[/COLOR]
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rfe8 25. Qg3 e4 / exf4
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bg2 exf4 26. Nd4 f3 27. Qxd2 fxg2 28. Qe2 Bxd4+ 29. cxd4 Rxd4 30. Qe8+ ½-½
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bg2 exf4 26. Nd4 f3 27. Qxd2 fxg2 28. Qe2 Bxd4+ 29. cxd4 Rd5
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bc6 e4
22. Qa4 Bxe4
22. Qb1 Nxf1 / Bxe4 ?

While, whereas 21...Raxd8, may be, not 21...Rfxd8, 21...Nxc2 might be the good route, way to go...
I had been voting for the 21...Nxc2 in order to give it atleast one vote...
21...Nxc2 drawmaster's route for the surity... thinking

Less preference might go onto 21...Rfxd8, 21...Bxe4, 21...Nxf1, 21...e4, 21...exf4 , 21...Nxc2 happen / not happen if in case whether thinking than 21...Raxd8, route for the surity... thinking

How is 21...Rfxd8 being different from 21...Raxd8? What would happen / not happen if in case whether it had been played instead of r the rather for the play,
not way to go necessarily 21...Nxc2 needed good route that always that
21...Nxc2 drawmaster's route for the surity... thinking

[LaurV]

[QUOTE=Raman;332529]22. fxe5 <snip> a lovely move
[/QUOTE]
:rofl:, indeed, but they won't do such a mistake. It would, however, end the game too soon and therefore spoil all the fun...

[QUOTE]
22. Qa4 Bxe4
22. Qb1 Nxf1 / Bxe4 ?
[/QUOTE]Qa4 is bad, sure win for black, after Bxe4 (as I said before, we better take a bishop for free, instead of giving a horse for a rook). They can't do anything after Bxe4, taking the pawns on the back (a7, b6) is complete waste of time, Re1 is a goner after black Rd2 (he can't stop either the mate or either the pawn transformation, need to give the queen for it). Moving the horse doesn't help either, we will happily give a bishop or a knight for that rook and then play two rooks plus a bishop or knight against a single queen, they can't win even if they pay Kasparov to play for them.

Qb1 Nxf1 Bxb7 is black win after Nd2, he has no place to move the queen. [B]Qe1 might seems a "safe" position, but after exf4, he must give the queen to stop the pawn transformation (**)[/B]. His best answer after Qb1 Nxf1 is to take Kxf1, which lets us with a fast draw if we exchange the bishops, or with a long final if we run away with the bishop (this I commented before).

[QUOTE]
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rfe8 25. Qg3 e4 / exf4
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bg2 exf4 26. Nd4 f3 27. Qxd2 fxg2 28. Qe2 Bxd4+ 29. cxd4 Rxd4 30. Qe8+ ½-½
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bg2 exf4 26. Nd4 f3 27. Qxd2 fxg2 28. Qe2 Bxd4+ 29. cxd4 Rd5
22. Qc1 Nxf1 23. Bxb7 Nd2 24. Qe1 Rf7 25. Bc6 e4
[/QUOTE]24 Qe1 is bad, he must give the queen to stop the pawn after 24...exf4, this is black win (same position as ** commented above). We pray to our gods that he moves Qe1 there! His best answer to this line should be 24 Bg2, or 24 Kf2, for which we expect a loooooooooong game.

[QUOTE]
How is 21...Rfxd8 being different from 21...Raxd8? What would happen / not happen if in case whether it had been played instead of ..[/QUOTE]We lose the control on f line (so he can capture the knight in f1 with the king, after we take the rook, without linking the pawn in f4, we might lost a move to check him, etc), we must waste a (second or third) move to run away with the rook in a1 after they take the bishop, etc. Think about it! After Rfxd8 Qb1 Nxf1 Kxf1 we can't run with the bishop (lose the rook in a1) and we are forced to exchange the bishops, white queen comes in the middle of the board, this would be almost devastating for black... At least, Raxd8 gives us the option to run with the bishop, after Qb1 Nxf1 Kxf1... Bc8 and we keep a small positional and material advntage