Game line after 19...Bxe4 move - Page 8

Raman · 2013-03-09, 13:56

[QUOTE=LaurV;330697]Now what?
I ckeck you until you move far enough from a4 square to allow me to put the rook there, then exchange, or until you come with your king on the third row then I take the pawn with my king. You still want to play?

Rg5
Draw?

[B]edit: better say what's your answer to 41.Rc6[/B][/QUOTE]41...Re4
move line [COLOR=White]side game[/COLOR]

LaurV · 2013-03-09, 16:38

[QUOTE=Raman;332528]41...Re4
move line [COLOR=White]side game[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I already forgot that analysis, now let me come back to that position...
I believe this way you may even lose, but I am not sure, the idea was that after 42.Rc5, then I can't see how you can stop my pawn in column a from transforming, without giving the rook for it... There might be a trick where we exchange the rooks and transform in the same time, but by no means you can transform before I do.

Raman · 2013-03-09, 21:46

[QUOTE=LaurV;332540]I already forgot that analysis, now let me come back to that position...
I believe this way you may even lose, but I am not sure, the idea was that after [B]42.Rc5[/B], then I can't see how you can stop my pawn in column a from transforming, without giving the rook for it... There might be a trick where we exchange the rooks and transform in the same time, but by no means you can transform before I do.[/QUOTE]
42...Kf6

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5
33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5
40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42.Rc5 Kf6
[ATTACH]9491[/ATTACH]
25...b5 variant please begging that always that
[SIZE=1][COLOR=White]so, thus?
thus, why so, thus?[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1]

[/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=White]for the
of r the[/COLOR][/SIZE]

LaurV · 2013-03-10, 07:54

Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously)

Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:

Raman · 2013-03-10, 10:37

[QUOTE=LaurV;330697]Now what?
I ckeck you until you move far enough from a4 square to allow me to put the rook there, then exchange, or until you come with your king on the third row then I take the pawn with my king. You still want to play?

Rg5
Draw?

[B]edit: better say what's your answer to 41.Rc6[/B][/QUOTE]

41...Re4
move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5
33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5
40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4

[ATTACH]9497[/ATTACH]

Raman · 2013-03-10, 10:45

42...Kf6
move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5
33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5
40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42. Rc5 Kf6
[ATTACH]9498[/ATTACH]

Raman · 2013-03-10, 10:47

43...g5
move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5
33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5
40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42. Rc5 Kf6 43. Rxa5 g5
[ATTACH]9499[/ATTACH]

Raman · 2013-03-10, 11:03

[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously)

Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=white]44.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR]
[COLOR=white] [/COLOR]
[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR]
[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white] , ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Raman · 2013-03-10, 12:03

[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously)

Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE] [ COLOR=#ffffff ]44.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#ffffff]move line side game [/COLOR]

[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR]
[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white], ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Raman · 2013-03-10, 12:10

[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously)

Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE]
[COLOR=#ffffff]44.
move line side game [/COLOR]

[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR]
[SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white], ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR]
[COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR]
[/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE]

2013-03-09, 21:46	#80
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3·419 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;332540]I already forgot that analysis, now let me come back to that position... I believe this way you may even lose, but I am not sure, the idea was that after [B]42.Rc5[/B], then I can't see how you can stop my pawn in column a from transforming, without giving the rook for it... There might be a trick where we exchange the rooks and transform in the same time, but by no means you can transform before I do.[/QUOTE] 42...Kf6 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5 33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5 40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42.Rc5 Kf6 [ATTACH]9491[/ATTACH] 25...b5 variant please begging that always that [SIZE=1][COLOR=White]so, thus? thus, why so, thus?[/COLOR][/SIZE][SIZE=1] [/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=White]for the of r the[/COLOR][/SIZE] Attached Thumbnails

2013-03-10, 07:54	#81
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously) Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile: Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-03-10 at 07:54

2013-03-10, 10:37	#82
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 4E9₁₆ Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;330697]Now what? I ckeck you until you move far enough from a4 square to allow me to put the rook there, then exchange, or until you come with your king on the third row then I take the pawn with my king. You still want to play? Rg5 Draw? [B]edit: better say what's your answer to 41.Rc6[/B][/QUOTE] 41...Re4 move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR] 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5 33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5 40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 [ATTACH]9497[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

2013-03-10, 10:45	#83
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 2351₈ Posts	42...Kf6 move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR] 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5 33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5 40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42. Rc5 Kf6 [ATTACH]9498[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

2013-03-10, 10:47	#84
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3·419 Posts	43...g5 move line [COLOR=white]side game[/COLOR] 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 30. Ng5 Rh8 31. Re6 Bxg5 32. Rxg5 Rxg5 33. hxg5 Rh1 34. Bd2 Rh2+ 35. Ke1 Rg2 36. Re5 Ne3 37. Bxe3 fxe3 38. Rb5 Kf7 39. Rxb6 Rxg5 40. Ke2 Re5 41.Rc6 Re4 42. Rc5 Kf6 43. Rxa5 g5 [ATTACH]9499[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

2013-03-09, 13:56	#78
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 2351₈ Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;330697]Now what? I ckeck you until you move far enough from a4 square to allow me to put the rook there, then exchange, or until you come with your king on the third row then I take the pawn with my king. You still want to play? Rg5 Draw? [B]edit: better say what's your answer to 41.Rc6[/B][/QUOTE]41...Re4 move line [COLOR=White]side game[/COLOR]

2013-03-09, 16:38	#79
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	[QUOTE=Raman;332528]41...Re4 move line [COLOR=White]side game[/COLOR][/QUOTE] I already forgot that analysis, now let me come back to that position... I believe this way you may even lose, but I am not sure, the idea was that after 42.Rc5, then I can't see how you can stop my pawn in column a from transforming, without giving the rook for it... There might be a trick where we exchange the rooks and transform in the same time, but by no means you can transform before I do.

2013-03-10, 11:03	#85
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3·419 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously) Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE] [COLOR=white]44.[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR] [COLOR=white] [/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white] , ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-03-10 at 11:48

2013-03-10, 12:03	#86
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3×419 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously) Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE] [ COLOR=#ffffff ]44.[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ffffff]move line side game [/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white], ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-03-10 at 13:02

2013-03-10, 12:10	#87
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 4E9₁₆ Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;332612]Ok, after spending about one hour on this I agree that if black plays right, then white can not transform the pawn in column a, so it is still a draw. Does it have any sense to continue? (and waste even more time?) (I would beat the pawn in a5, obviously) Or.... do you want to win it, again? :smile:[/QUOTE] [COLOR=#ffffff]44. move line side game [/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]Yes,[/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=white]that always that[/COLOR] [SIZE=4][COLOR=white]way[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=4][SIZE=4][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][COLOR=white], ,[/COLOR] Okay , let's , please , abandon[COLOR=white] , Okay , let's , [SIZE=2]leave[/SIZE][SIZE=4] , [/SIZE][SIZE=2]alone[/SIZE][/COLOR][SIZE=4][COLOR=white] , begging[/COLOR][COLOR=white] , [SIZE=2]25...b5[/SIZE] , [SIZE=2]variant[/SIZE] , , , , [/COLOR][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]44...[/COLOR] [COLOR=white]move line side game [/COLOR] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE]

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