Game line after 19...Bxe4 move - Page 2

LaurV · 2013-02-22, 17:15

I do not intend to play "many days". Regardless of who win or lose, the point is clear: it is not like you boasted "if we would play 19...Bxe4 we should be winning up to now". If you win, it will only be after a long and exhausting final.

25.h4

Raman · 2013-02-22, 17:19

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5

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LaurV · 2013-02-22, 17:29

Are you sure you want to arrange your pawns on black squares, with my pawns on white squares, when we both have black-square bishops? This is not quite OK, strategically, and it smells like engine play. A human player would most probably develop the other side... but well, it is your play... I did not analyze the game so deep (for me it was clearly a draw after the exchanges in the middle), but let's see...

a4

(this is the move in the envelope, good night).

Raman · 2013-02-22, 17:33

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6

[ATTACH]9390[/ATTACH]

LaurV · 2013-02-23, 04:12

Huh? don't tell me you can transform that pawn!

27 gxh6

Raman · 2013-02-23, 12:49

[QUOTE=Raman]Sorry that there had been certainly a power failure shutdown sign / signal into my own house for the more than 2 hours
Furthermore, that, certainly that I would rather wish that I had played 25...b5 move
Agreed that I would be certainly be able to win into this game afterwards a long and then exhausting battle being fought towards this own game's 19...Bxe4 move line
Do you think that you can be certainly able to guarantee generating a quick victory from among within into 19...Nd5 move line?[/QUOTE]

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6

[ATTACH]9392[/ATTACH]

LaurV · 2013-02-23, 13:36

Kf2

edit: you can play 25...b5 move, see my comment in post #10. This game is not for money, is for study. Play yoyur best choice, and see if you win. That move also leads nowhere, and you can't get more then a draw after you exchange the queens. Don't be fooled by the high scores your engine may show you... :razz:

edit 2: Related to your question, if I can guarantee fast victory for Nd5 move, well, if you carefully read my posts in the move thread, instead of continuously ranting in white text on white background, then you would see I said that if they play right, the game is a draw. Either we or them can make mistakes, and either we or them can get greedy, so I was betting my money on the fact that they will want to exchange the queens, by playing Rbd1. Because, as you see from the current game, exchanging the queens is advantageous for white, because his open position. Black can't win after exchanging queens. Or say, not so easy. Therefore, they may go for it. This is a trap, because if we refuse the exchange, and sacrifice the queen, we play with 3 or 4 pieces against their queen, and that is a almost sure win for us. But NOT immediate win, I never claimed that.

Raman · 2013-02-23, 14:18

[QUOTE]Already black is be[STRIKE]ing[/STRIKE] a pawn up at least into material advantage, within this own game, for the following position
After[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE], to[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE] [COLOR=White]After to be be[STRIKE]ing[/STRIKE] [/COLOR]
19...Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 move line
later on, on[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE][/QUOTE]1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7

[ATTACH]9393[/ATTACH]

LaurV · 2013-02-23, 14:27

Rg1

Raman · 2013-02-23, 14:32

1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O
10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4
18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8
25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5

[ATTACH]9394[/ATTACH]

LaurV · 2013-02-23, 14:32

Ng5

2013-02-22, 17:15	#12
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 24063₈ Posts	I do not intend to play "many days". Regardless of who win or lose, the point is clear: it is not like you boasted "if we would play 19...Bxe4 we should be winning up to now". If you win, it will only be after a long and exhausting final. 25.h4 Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-02-22 at 17:17 Reason: s/said/boasted, I go to sleep. Good night.

2013-02-22, 17:19	#13
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3·419 Posts	1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 [ATTACH]9389[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

2013-02-22, 17:33	#15
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3×419 Posts	1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 [ATTACH]9390[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

2013-02-23, 12:49	#17
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 2351₈ Posts	[QUOTE=Raman]Sorry that there had been certainly a power failure shutdown sign / signal into my own house for the more than 2 hours Furthermore, that, certainly that I would rather wish that I had played 25...b5 move Agreed that I would be certainly be able to win into this game afterwards a long and then exhausting battle being fought towards this own game's 19...Bxe4 move line Do you think that you can be certainly able to guarantee generating a quick victory from among within into 19...Nd5 move line?[/QUOTE] 1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 [ATTACH]9392[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-23 at 13:44

2013-02-23, 13:36	#18
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41×251 Posts	Kf2 edit: you can play 25...b5 move, see my comment in post #10. This game is not for money, is for study. Play yoyur best choice, and see if you win. That move also leads nowhere, and you can't get more then a draw after you exchange the queens. Don't be fooled by the high scores your engine may show you... :razz: edit 2: Related to your question, if I can guarantee fast victory for Nd5 move, well, if you carefully read my posts in the move thread, instead of continuously ranting in white text on white background, then you would see I said that if they play right, the game is a draw. Either we or them can make mistakes, and either we or them can get greedy, so I was betting my money on the fact that they will want to exchange the queens, by playing Rbd1. Because, as you see from the current game, exchanging the queens is advantageous for white, because his open position. Black can't win after exchanging queens. Or say, not so easy. Therefore, they may go for it. This is a trap, because if we refuse the exchange, and sacrifice the queen, we play with 3 or 4 pieces against their queen, and that is a almost sure win for us. But NOT immediate win, I never claimed that. Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-02-23 at 13:47

2013-02-22, 17:29	#14
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 10100000110011₂ Posts	Are you sure you want to arrange your pawns on black squares, with my pawns on white squares, when we both have black-square bishops? This is not quite OK, strategically, and it smells like engine play. A human player would most probably develop the other side... but well, it is your play... I did not analyze the game so deep (for me it was clearly a draw after the exchanges in the middle), but let's see... a4 (this is the move in the envelope, good night).

2013-02-23, 04:12	#16
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	Huh? don't tell me you can transform that pawn! 27 gxh6

2013-02-23, 14:18	#19
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 3·419 Posts	[QUOTE]Already black is be[STRIKE]ing[/STRIKE] a pawn up at least into material advantage, within this own game, for the following position After[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE], to[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE] [COLOR=White]After to be be[STRIKE]ing[/STRIKE] [/COLOR] 19...Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 move line later on, on[STRIKE]wards[/STRIKE][/QUOTE]1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 [ATTACH]9393[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-23 at 14:35

2013-02-23, 14:27	#20
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 24063₈ Posts	Rg1

2013-02-23, 14:32	#21
Raman Noodles "Mr. Tuch" Dec 2007 Chennai, India 2351₈ Posts	1. e4 c5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. f4 d6 6. d3 e6 7. Nf3 Nge7 8. Be3 Nd4 9. O-O O-O 10. Rb1 b6 11. Ne2 Nxf3+ 12. Bxf3 Bb7 13. g4 f5 14. g5 e5 15. c3 fxe4 16. dxe4 d5 17. Qb3 c4 18. Qc2 dxe4 19. Bxe4 Bxe4 20. Qxe4 Qd3 21. Ng3 Nd5 22. Rbe1 Qxe4 23. Nxe4 exf4 24. Bc1 Rad8 25. h4 a5 26. a4 h6 27. gxh6 Bxh6 28. Kf2 Kg7 29. Rg1 Rf5 [ATTACH]9394[/ATTACH] Attached Thumbnails

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