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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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-> I do know that if a prime p can be written into the form a²+kb² form, then its representation is being unique - if both of a, b are being positive, or without that restriction - there will be four solutions for a prime for the representation by any quadratic form. If N is the product of m distinct primes (ALL / SOME) such that it can be written into the form with N = a²+kb² form, then there will be 2m different solutions to (a, b) inside the positive integers, by itself. If in case that you would include with the negative values, then there will be 2m+2 different solutions to (a, b). I am not much interested in the solutions of (a, b), as since they are not being unique. I am much interested in the numbers which are being writable into the form a²+kb² form, by itself. If k = 5, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+2ab+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 7} mod 20. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+2ab+3b² can be written into the form a²+5b², by itself. (2a²+2ab+3b²)(2c²+2cd+3d²) = |2ac+ad+bc-2bd|²+5|ad+ac+bd|² If k = 6, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 5, 11} mod 24. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+3b² can be written into the form a²+6b², by itself. (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac-3bd|²+6|ad+bc|² (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac+3bd|²+6|ad-bc|² If k = 10, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+5b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 5, 7, 13, 23, 37} mod 40. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+5b² can be written into the form a²+10b², by itself. (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac-5bd|²+10|ad+bc|² (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac+5bd|²+10|ad-bc|² But, these polynomial forms such as those like 2a²+2ab+3b², 2a²+3b², 2a²+5b², a²+5b², a²+6b², a²+10b², etc. will span with ALL the primes lying in certain set of residue classes (mod 4k). Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 21, 22, 24, 25, 28, 30, 33, 37, 40, 42, 45, 48, 57, 58, 60, 70, 72, 78, 85, 88, 93, 102, 105, 112, 120, 130, 133, 165, 168, 177, 190, 210, 232, 240, 253, 273, 280, 312, 330, 345, 357, 385, 408, 462, 520, 760, 840, 1320, 1365, 1848 On the other hand, consider with the case for k = 11: The polynomial of a²+11b² form will only span with SOME of the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. (You may expand it to the residue classes mod 44, by this itself). On the other hand, the polynomial of 3a²+2ab+4b² form seems to generate with the REMAINING primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. As a result, the two polynomials of a²+11b² form, 3a²+2ab+4b² form TOGETHER appears to form a basis for all the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. Not it is being possible with any of these two single polynomials individually. Is it being possible for anyone to explain why this happens? And then if possible being able to point out off to any potentially available references, or links for the elaborating in detail, in depth towards this mechanism? What primes are being representable in the form a²+11b² form, thereby distinguishing it from the primes of the form 3a²+2ab+4b² form, lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, by itself But although, for all the primes p lying in the following residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, it's being possible to write with 4 × p into the form a²+11b², by itself. 4 × (a²+11b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = 2a, d = 2b, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself 4 × (3a²+2ab+4b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = a + 4b, d = a, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 11, 19, 20, 27, 32, 35, 36, 43, 51, 52, 64, 67, 75, 84, 91, 96, 99, 100, 115, 123, 132, 147, 148, 160, 163, 180, 187, 192, 195, 228, 235, 267, 288, 315, 340, 352, 372, 403, 420, 427, 435, 448, 480, 483, 532, 555, 595, 627, 660, 672, 708, 715, 795, 928, 960, 1012, 1092, 1120, 1155, 1248, 1380, 1428, 1435, 1540, 1632, 1995, 2080, 3003, 3040, 3315, 3360, 5280, 5460, 7392 By some same way, the following rings of integers Z[(1+√k)/2], Z[(1+√3)/2], Z[(1+√7)/2], Z[(1+√11)/2], Z[(1+√19)/2], Z[(1+√43)/2], Z[(1+√67)/2], Z[(1+√163)/2], for k = 3, 7, 11, 19, 43, 67, 163 are being unique factorization domains, by itself. with k being prime, of the form 3 (mod 4), by itself, and then (k+1)/4 is being either 1 or prime, with the polynomial of the form x²+x+(k+1)/4 form, being with generating with all-prime values from k = 0 ... (k-7)/4. Quite directly it is being Amazingly startling with, unbelievable with, by itself, with, ! Following statement why it is being significant enough, as follows Let N be a non-negative integer that can be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0). Let p be a prime factor that divides N (raised to an odd power), i.e. pm divides N, pm+1 does not divide N, whereby m is being odd. Then, if p can also always be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0), then k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 12, 19, 43, 67, 163 Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-12 at 18:30 |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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I don't understand with this. Can you please elaborate with this?
What are the three polynomials being? I find out that only two polynomial forms, actually generate with all the primes being congruent to {0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 12, 13, 16, 18} mod 23 forms. They are being a²+23b² 3a²+2ab+8b² Although, but both of them having with Discriminant = -92. Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-12 at 22:56 |
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Just call me Henry
"David"
Sep 2007
Cambridge (GMT/BST)
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If we could try different squares we could cover most if not all numbers. So now the challenge is representing a composite in the form a^2+k^2*b^2. Now I write it like that it looks the same as k=1 but with b=kb. I am assuming there is no fast way to find two solutions to n=a^2+b^2. |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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we will certainly be able to write out with each, every prime factor pj of n - that are being congruent to {1, 2} mod 4, as a Gaussian integer, whose norm (multiple) is being equal to pj, individually, by itself, (by using the Cornacchia-Smith algorithm), or by taking GCD of n with x±i, whereby, x is the integer satisfying with x² = -1 (mod pj) - GCD = aj ± bji - and then, combining them together with their own product into all the possibly available different ways as follows. If in case that the prime factors that are being congruent to 3 (mod 4), do occur in pairs, then, go ahead to take with the product by taking them with singly, i.e., only once - actually. product = (a1 ± b1i)(a2 ± b2i)(a3 ± b3i)(a4 ± b4i)...(am ± bmi) n = a²+b² form, with, a = real part(product) b = imaginary part(product) The Gaussian integers are being a unique factorization domain - such that many classical properties do work out with into the representation of n as the sum of two squares, by itself, -> All the prime numbers that are being congruent to {1, 2} mod 4, are being the sum of two squares. -> No prime numbers that are being congruent to {3} mod 4, are being the sum of two squares. -> Numbers that can be written as the sum of two squares will have no prime factors congruent to {3} mod 4, being raised to an odd power. -> Every prime representation as sum of two squares is being unique. -> The product of a prime of the form {1, 2} mod 4, along with a number that is the sum of two squares - will be the sum of two squares. -> The product of a prime of the form {1, 2} mod 4, along with a number that is not the sum of two squares - will not be the sum of two squares. -> The product of m distinct primes congruent to 1 (mod 4) - can be written as the sum of two squares - into 2m different ways. , ..., etc., Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-13 at 08:30 |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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Dear alpertron:
-> I do know that if a prime p can be written into the form a²+kb² form, then its representation is being unique - if both of a, b are being positive, or without that restriction - there will be four solutions for a prime for the representation by any quadratic form. If N is the product of m distinct primes (ALL / SOME) such that it can be written into the form with N = a²+kb² form, then there will be 2m different solutions to (a, b) inside the positive integers, by itself. If in case that you would include with the negative values, then there will be 2m+2 different solutions to (a, b). I am not much interested in the solutions of (a, b), as since they are not being unique. I am much interested in the numbers which are being writable into the form a²+kb² form, by itself. If k = 5, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+2ab+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 7} mod 20. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+2ab+3b² can be written into the form a²+5b², by itself. (2a²+2ab+3b²)(2c²+2cd+3d²) = |2ac+ad+bc-2bd|²+5|ad+bc+bd|² (2a²+2ab+3b²)(2c²+2cd+3d²) = |2ac+ad+bc+3bd|²+5|ad-bc|² If k = 6, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 5, 11} mod 24. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+3b² can be written into the form a²+6b², by itself. (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac-3bd|²+6|ad+bc|² (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac+3bd|²+6|ad-bc|² If k = 10, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+5b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 5, 7, 13, 23, 37} mod 40. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+5b² can be written into the form a²+10b², by itself. (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac-5bd|²+10|ad+bc|² (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac+5bd|²+10|ad-bc|² But, these polynomial forms such as those like 2a²+2ab+3b², 2a²+3b², 2a²+5b², a²+5b², a²+6b², a²+10b², etc. will span with ALL the primes lying in certain set of residue classes (mod 4k). Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 21, 22, 24, 25, 28, 30, 33, 37, 40, 42, 45, 48, 57, 58, 60, 70, 72, 78, 85, 88, 93, 102, 105, 112, 120, 130, 133, 165, 168, 177, 190, 210, 232, 240, 253, 273, 280, 312, 330, 345, 357, 385, 408, 462, 520, 760, 840, 1320, 1365, 1848 On the other hand, consider with the case for k = 11: The polynomial of a²+11b² form will only span with SOME of the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. (You may expand it to the residue classes mod 44, by this itself). On the other hand, the polynomial of 3a²+2ab+4b² form seems to generate with the REMAINING primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. As a result, the two polynomials of a²+11b² form, 3a²+2ab+4b² form TOGETHER appears to form a basis for all the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. Not it is being possible with any of these two single polynomials individually. Is it being possible for anyone to explain why this happens? And then if possible being able to point out off to any potentially available references, or links for the elaborating in detail, in depth towards this mechanism? What primes are being representable in the form a²+11b² form, thereby distinguishing it from the primes of the form 3a²+2ab+4b² form, lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, by itself But although, for all the primes p lying in the following residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, it's being possible to write with 4 × p into the form a²+11b², by itself. 4 × (a²+11b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = 2a, d = 2b, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself 4 × (3a²+2ab+4b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = a + 4b, d = a, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 11, 19, 20, 27, 32, 35, 36, 43, 51, 52, 64, 67, 75, 84, 91, 96, 99, 100, 115, 123, 132, 147, 148, 160, 163, 180, 187, 192, 195, 228, 235, 267, 288, 315, 340, 352, 372, 403, 420, 427, 435, 448, 480, 483, 532, 555, 595, 627, 660, 672, 708, 715, 795, 928, 960, 1012, 1092, 1120, 1155, 1248, 1380, 1428, 1435, 1540, 1632, 1995, 2080, 3003, 3040, 3315, 3360, 5280, 5460, 7392 By some same way, the following rings of integers Z[(1+√k)/2], Z[(1+√3)/2], Z[(1+√7)/2], Z[(1+√11)/2], Z[(1+√19)/2], Z[(1+√43)/2], Z[(1+√67)/2], Z[(1+√163)/2], for k = 3, 7, 11, 19, 43, 67, 163 are being unique factorization domains, by itself. with k being prime, of the form 3 (mod 4), by itself, and then (k+1)/4 is being either 1 or prime, with the polynomial of the form x²+x+(k+1)/4 form, being with generating with all-prime values from k = 0 ... (k-7)/4. Quite directly it is being Amazingly startling with, unbelievable with, by itself, with, ! Following statement why it is being significant enough, as follows Let N be a non-negative integer that can be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0). Let p be a prime factor that divides N (raised to an odd power), i.e. pm divides N, pm+1 does not divide N, whereby m is being odd. Then, if p can also always be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0), then k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 12, 19, 43, 67, 163 |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
3×419 Posts |
For a given k,
it is being a good question to ask how many, (what all) polynomial forms are being needed in order to represent with all the prime numbers that are being congruent to x² (mod 4k), x²+k (mod 4k). The answer is being given below as follows: All of the following polynomials will have got with the discriminant value of -4k, by itself, over thereby, Program Output k = 1: a² + b² k = 2: a² + 2b² k = 3: a² + 3b² k = 4: a² + 4b² k = 5: a² + 5b² k = 6: a² + 6b² k = 7: a² + 7b² k = 8: a² + 8b² k = 9: a² + 9b² k = 10: a² + 10b² k = 11: a² + 11b², 3a² + 2ab + 4b² k = 12: a² + 12b² k = 13: a² + 13b² k = 14: a² + 14b², 2a² + 7b² k = 15: a² + 15b² k = 16: a² + 16b² k = 17: a² + 17b², 2a² + 2ab + 9b² k = 18: a² + 18b² k = 19: a² + 19b², 4a² + 2ab + 5b² k = 20: a² + 20b², 4a² + 5b² k = 21: a² + 21b² k = 22: a² + 22b² k = 23: a² + 23b², 3a² + 2ab + 8b² k = 24: a² + 24b² k = 25: a² + 25b² k = 26: a² + 26b², 3a² + 2ab + 9b² k = 27: a² + 27b², 4a² + 2ab + 7b² k = 28: a² + 28b² k = 29: a² + 29b², 5a² + 2ab + 6b² k = 30: a² + 30b² k = 31: a² + 31b², 5a² + 4ab + 7b² k = 32: a² + 32b², 4a² + 4ab + 9b² k = 33: a² + 33b² k = 34: a² + 34b², 2a² + 17b² k = 35: a² + 35b², 4a² + 6ab + 11b² k = 36: a² + 36b², 4a² + 9b² k = 37: a² + 37b² k = 38: a² + 38b², 6a² + 4ab + 7b² k = 39: a² + 39b², 3a² + 13b² k = 40: a² + 40b² k = 41: a² + 41b², 2a² + 2ab + 21b², 5a² + 4ab + 9b² k = 42: a² + 42b² k = 43: a² + 43b², 4a² + 2ab + 11b² k = 44: a² + 44b², 5a² + 2ab + 9b² k = 45: a² + 45b² k = 46: a² + 46b², 2a² + 23b² k = 47: a² + 47b², 3a² + 2ab + 16b², 7a² + 6ab + 8b² k = 48: a² + 48b² k = 49: a² + 49b², 2a² + 2ab + 25b² k = 50: a² + 50b², 6a² + 8ab + 11b² k = 51: a² + 51b², 4a² + 2ab + 13b² k = 52: a² + 52b², 4a² + 13b² k = 53: a² + 53b², 6a² + 10ab + 13b² k = 54: a² + 54b², 7a² + 6ab + 9b² k = 55: a² + 55b², 5a² + 11b² k = 56: a² + 56b², 8a² + 8ab + 9b² k = 57: a² + 57b² k = 58: a² + 58b² k = 59: a² + 59b², 3a² + 2ab + 20b², 5a² + 2ab + 12b², 7a² + 4ab + 9b², 4a² + 6ab + 17b² k = 60: a² + 60b² k = 61: a² + 61b², 5a² + 4ab + 13b² k = 62: a² + 62b², 2a² + 31b², 7a² + 2ab + 9b² k = 63: a² + 63b², 7a² + 9b² k = 64: a² + 64b², 4a² + 4ab + 17b² k = 65: a² + 65b², 9a² + 10ab + 10b² k = 66: a² + 66b², 3a² + 22b² k = 67: a² + 67b², 4a² + 2ab + 17b² k = 68: a² + 68b², 8a² + 12ab + 13b², 4a² + 17b² k = 69: a² + 69b², 6a² + 6ab + 13b² k = 70: a² + 70b² k = 71: a² + 71b², 3a² + 2ab + 24b², 5a² + 4ab + 15b², 8a² + 2ab + 9b² k = 72: a² + 72b² k = 73: a² + 73b², 2a² + 2ab + 37b² k = 74: a² + 74b², 3a² + 2ab + 25b², 9a² + 10ab + 11b² k = 75: a² + 75b², 4a² + 2ab + 19b² k = 76: a² + 76b², 5a² + 4ab + 16b² k = 77: a² + 77b², 9a² + 14ab + 14b² k = 78: a² + 78b² k = 79: a² + 79b², 5a² + 2ab + 16b², 8a² + 6ab + 11b² k = 80: a² + 80b², 9a² + 16ab + 16b² k = 81: a² + 81b², 9a² + 12ab + 13b² k = 82: a² + 82b², 2a² + 41b² k = 83: a² + 83b², 3a² + 2ab + 28b², 7a² + 2ab + 12b², 9a² + 8ab + 11b², 4a² + 6ab + 23b² k = 84: a² + 84b², 4a² + 21b² k = 85: a² + 85b² k = 86: a² + 86b², 6a² + 8ab + 17b², 9a² + 4ab + 10b² k = 87: a² + 87b², 7a² + 4ab + 13b² k = 88: a² + 88b² k = 89: a² + 89b², 2a² + 2ab + 45b², 5a² + 2ab + 18b², 9a² + 16ab + 17b² k = 90: a² + 90b², 9a² + 10b² k = 91: a² + 91b², 4a² + 2ab + 23b² k = 92: a² + 92b², 9a² + 10ab + 13b² k = 93: a² + 93b² k = 94: a² + 94b², 2a² + 47b², 7a² + 4ab + 14b² k = 95: a² + 95b², 5a² + 19b², 9a² + 4ab + 11b² k = 96: a² + 96b², 4a² + 4ab + 25b² k = 97: a² + 97b², 2a² + 2ab + 49b² k = 98: a² + 98b², 2a² + 49b², 9a² + 2ab + 11b² k = 99: a² + 99b², 4a² + 2ab + 25b² k = 100: a² + 100b², 4a² + 25b² |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
125710 Posts |
Some common and / then classical observations / questions...
1. I had been deeply analyzing with the truth of the following statements. Suppose S(k) be the set of all numbers that can be written in the form a²+kb². N, p, q are any arbitrary numbers satisfying with the below stated conditions, they are being freshly defined, to be independent from the other statements, for a new statement. Then, Which of the following statements are true, which of them are false? i. If a prime p belongs to S(k) and N belongs to S(k), then p × N belongs to S(k). TRUE. (a²+kb²)(c²+kd²) = |ac+kbd|² + k|ad-bc|² = |ac-kbd|² + k|ad+bc|² ii. If a prime p belongs to S(k) and N does not belong to S(k), then p × N does not belong to S(k). TRUE. Consequence of III iii. If a prime p belongs to S(k) and p × N belongs to S(k), then N belongs to S(k). TRUE. Consequence of Unique Factorization of Ideals? iv. If a prime p belongs to S(k) and p × N does not belong to S(k), then N does not belong to S(k). TRUE. Consequence of I v. For a prime p, if N belongs to S(k) and p × N belongs to S(k), then p belongs to S(k). FALSE. Classical counterexample: 28 belongs to S(24), 196 belongs to S(24), but 7 does not belong to S(24) vi. For a prime p, if N belongs to S(k) and p × N does not belong to S(k), then p does not belong to S(k). TRUE. Consequence of I vii. For a prime p, if N does not belong to S(k) and p × N belongs to S(k), then p does not belong to S(k). TRUE. Consequence of III viii. For a prime p, if N does not belong to S(k) and p × N does not belong to S(k), then p belongs to S(k). FALSE. Counterexample: 7 does not belong to S(1), 21 does not belong to S(1), but 3 does not belong to S(1) 2. Primes of form a²+b²: All primes congruent to 1, 2 (mod 4) Primes of form a²+2b²: All primes congruent to 1, 2, 3 (mod 8) Primes of form a²+3b²: All primes congruent to 1, 7 (mod 12) Primes of form a²+4b²: All primes congruent to 1, 5, 9, 13 (mod 16) Primes of form a²+5b²: All primes congruent to 1, 5, 9 (mod 20) Primes of form a²+6b²: All primes congruent to 1, 7 (mod 24) Primes of form a²+7b²: All primes congruent to 1, 7, 9, 11, 15, 23, 25 (mod 28) Primes of form a²+8b²: All primes congruent to 1, 9, 17, 25 (mod 32) Primes of form a²+9b²: All primes congruent to 1, 13, 25 (mod 36) Primes of form a²+10b²: All primes congruent to 1, 9, 11, 19 (mod 40) Question. Why primes of form a²+kb² = Primes congruent to certain set of some residue classes (mod 4k)? Although "all primes" does not work out with always, it works out precisely for the sixty-five values of k alone - within such cases. Why - mod 4k? Answer. My own guess is that if a prime p can be written into the form a²+kb² then certainly that -k needs to be a quadratic residue (mod p). If k is congruent to 3 (mod 4), then by the law of quadratic reciprocity, Legendre Symbol (-k|p) = (p|k) always, so the quadratic character of p is the same of quadratic character of p + k... into this case, it can certainly be simplified into certain set of some residue classes (mod k) On the other hand, if k is congruent to 1 (mod 4), then by the law of quadratic reciprocity, Legendre Symbol (-k|p) = -(p|k), if p = 1 mod 4 (-k|p) = (p|k), if p = 3 mod 4 thus the quadratic character of p will be the same of quadratic character of p + (4 × k)... In general, by using what factor do you think that can (mod 4k) be simplified by, for the some haphazard k value? For this example, consider with n = 1 mod 4, or n = 2 mod 4, n is being square-free - The certain set of some residue classes (mod 4k)... n = 3 mod 4, or n = 0 mod 4, The certain set of some residue classes (mod k)... n = 0 mod 16, The certain set of some residue classes (mod k/2)... n = 0 mod 9, The certain set of some residue classes (mod 4k/3)... n = 0 mod 25, The certain set of some residue classes (mod 4k/5)... n = 0 mod 49, The certain set of some residue classes (mod 4k/7)... n = 0 mod 36, The certain set of some residue classes (mod k/3)... Why so? Thus 3. Question. Is any prime number being uniquely generated by using a²+kb² form? With the following condition that a, b are non-negative? If the condition that a, b are non-negative is not being imposed, then certainly that any prime number can be generated by using FOUR different ways, as since a²+kb² = a²+k(-b)² = (-a)²+kb² = (-a)²+k(-b)². Similarly, that can any prime number can be generated by using some arbitrary quadratic form (with negative discriminant) into exactly FOUR different ways? Does there exist with some random quadratic form (with negative discriminant) for which a prime number can be generated by using more or less than FOUR different ways? For this example, consider with f(a,b) = 3a²+10ab+11b², then with f(a,b) = f(-a,-b) 19 = f(4,-1) = f(-4,1) = f(5,-2) = f(-5,2) 4. Question. Can the same prime number be generated by TWO different quadratic forms of the same discriminant, that are inequivalent? For example, the set of primes being generated by using a²+11b², 3a²+2ab+4b² are disjoint. For example, the set of primes being generated by using a²+14b², 2a²+7b² are disjoint. For example, the set of primes being generated by using a²+17b², 2a²+2ab+9b² are disjoint. For example, the set of primes being generated by using a²+19b², 4a²+2ab+5b² are disjoint. Does this following condition does rather hold out with - always? 5. Question. The Cornacchia-Smith algorithm can be used to test out if a prime number p can be written into the form a²+kb² almost instantly. Or by using the modular square root algorithm, you can get the solutions (a,b) such that a²+kb² = p, by taking the GCD of x+√-k with N into Z[√-k], whereby x² = -k (mod p). Does a similar test exist for getting with the solutions (a,b) of p = Xa²+Yab+Zb², for the following arbitrary random quadratic form? 6. The following two quadratic forms are being equivalent as since one can be got / obtained by using a linear transformation from the another! u(a,b) = 8a²+9b²; v(a,b) = 17a²+50ab+41b²; v(a,b) = u(a+2b,a+b) The following three quadratic forms are being equivalent as since one can be got / obtained by using a linear transformation from the another! f(a,b) = 3a²+2ab+3b²; g(a,b) = 3a²+4ab+4b²; h(a,b) = 3a²+10ab+11b²; g(a,b) = f(a+b,b); h(a,b) = g(a+b,b) Similarly, that g(a,b) = h(a-b,b); f(a,b) = g(a-b,b) Thus, two or more equivalent quadratic polynomial forms will always generate with the same set of values, always, in... Why so? Question. Two or more equivalent polynomials will always have sharing the same discriminant. That thing is being a necessary condition, not being a sufficient condition at all... Is there being some "sufficient condition" test, in order to experiment out, if the two or more polynomials are being equivalent? Things and stuff, then, simultaneously, in order to check them out within almost instantly... 7. If a number N, in general, can be written into the form N = a²+kb² = c²+kd² into two different ways, simultaneously, then certainly that GCD((a+c)²+k(b+d)², N) will generate with a non-trivial factor for the number N, yielding in... 8. All primes being congruent to 1 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - a² + 24b², a² + 72b² All primes being congruent to 3, 11 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 3a² + 8b² All primes being congruent to 5 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 5a² + 2ab + 5b² All primes being congruent to 7 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 7a² + 10ab + 7b² All primes being congruent to 11 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 11a² + 14ab + 11b² All primes being congruent to 17 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 8a² + 9b² All primes being congruent to 19 (mod 24) can certainly be generated by using the following forms - 4a² + 4ab + 19b² 9. Regarding the prime numbers being generated by using the polynomial a²+kb² for the negative k values, for the such cases, A prime number p can be written into the form a²-Db² form, if and only if, D is being a quadratic residue mod p. Certainly, that there should be infinitely many number of solutions (a,b) into towards p = a²-Db² for the D ≥ 2, as since, there will be infinitely many units into the real number field Z[√D], as such, for the multiplication by using integer solutions into the Pell's equation a²-Db² = 1. Modular arithmetic modulo 4D, will certainly, reveal that almost instantly that there can be no integer solutions for the ordered pair (a,b) into the equation a²-Db² = p, if p is being prime number; D is being quadratic non-residue mod p. Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-21 at 20:58 |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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There does not exist non-zero (positive) integers N that can be simultaneously written into two following forms, as follows, as a, b, c, d are being integers, always i. N = a² + 5b² = 2c² + 2cd + 3d² ii. N = a² + 6b² = 2c² + 3d² iii. N = a² + 10b² = 2c² + 5d² iv. N = a² + 13b² = 2c² + 2cd + 7d² v. N = a² + 22b² = 2c² + 11d² vi. N = a² + 26b² = 2c² + 13d² vii. N = a² + 38b² = 2c² + 19d² viii. N = a² + 58b² = 2c² + 29d² ix. N = a² + 15b² = 3c² + 5d² x. N = a² + 21b² = 3c² + 7d² xi. N = a² + 24b² = 3c² + 8d² xii. N = a² + 30b² = 2c² + 15d² xiii. N = a² + 30b² = 3c² + 10d² xiv. N = a² + 30b² = 5c² + 6d² xv. N = a² + 33b² = 3c² + 11d² xvi. N = a² + 40b² = 5c² + 8d² xvii. N = a² + 42b² = 2c² + 21d² xviii. N = a² + 42b² = 3c² + 14d² xix. N = a² + 42b² = 6c² + 7d² xx. N = a² + 51b² = 3c² + 17d² xxi. N = a² + 57b² = 3c² + 19d² xxii. N = a² + 60b² = 3c² + 20d² xxiii. N = a² + 60b² = 5c² + 12d² xxiv. N = a² + 70b² = 2c² + 35d² xxv. N = a² + 70b² = 5c² + 14d² xxvi. N = a² + 70b² = 7c² + 10d² xxvii. N = a² + 78b² = 2c² + 39d² xxviii. N = a² + 78b² = 3c² + 26d² xxix. N = a² + 78b² = 6c² + 13d² xxx. N = a² + 85b² = 5c² + 17d² xxxi. N = a² + 88b² = 8c² + 11d² xxxii. N = a² + 93b² = 3c² + 31d² xxxiii. N = a² + 66b² = 6c² + 11d² xxxiv. N = a² + 77b² = 7c² + 11d² There does exist non-zero (positive) integers N that can be simultaneously written into two following forms, as follows, as a, b, c, d are being integers, always xxxv. N = a² + 18b² = 2a² + 9b² xxxvi. N = a² + 14b² = 2c² + 7d² xxxvii. N = a² + 34b² = 2c² + 17d² xxxviii. N = a² + 46b² = 2c² + 23d² xxxix. N = a² + 12b² = 3c² + 4d² xl. N = a² + 20b² = 4c² + 5d² xli. N = a² + 72b² = 8c² + 9d² xlii. N = a² + 28b² = 4c² + 7d² xliii. N = a² + 45b² = 5c² + 9d² xliv. N = a² + 48b² = 3c² + 16d² xlv. N = a² + 60b² = 4c² + 15d² xlvi. N = a² + 11b² = 3c² + 2cd + 4d² xlvii. N = a² + 17b² = 2c² + 2cd + 9d² xlviii. N = a² + 19b² = 4c² + 2cd + 5d² xlix. N = a² + 23b² = 3c² + 2cd + 8d² l. N = a² + 26b² = 3c² + 2cd + 9d² li. N = a² + 29b² = 5c² + 2cd + 6d² lii. N = a² + 31b² = 5c² + 4cd + 7d² liii. N = a² + 63b² = 7c² + 9d² liv. N = a² + 44b² = 4c² + 11d² lv. N = a² + 99b² = 9c² + 11d² lvi. N = a² + 52b² = 4c² + 13d² lvii. N = a² + 68b² = 4c² + 17d² lviii. N = a² + 76b² = 4c² + 19d² lix. N = a² + 84b² = 4c² + 21d² lx. N = a² + 92b² = 4c² + 23d² Why so? Thus Last fiddled with by Raman on 2013-02-21 at 20:13 |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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Regarding the equation N = a² + 6b² = 2c² + 3d²,
a² + 6b² = 2c² + 3d², a² - 2c² = 3 (d² - 2b²). 3 divides a²-2c². Considering modulo 3 arithmetic, 3 should divide a, 3 should divide c. As since, if a²-2c² = 0 (mod 3), then let a = m × c (mod 3), then certainly we will have that, c²(m²-2) = 0 (mod 3) THERE EXIST NO SOLUTION TO THE EQUATION m²-2 = 0 mod 3, as such, as since, 2 is a quadratic non-residue mod 3. So that, c MUST BE CONGRUENT TO 0 (mod 3). Thus, a MUST ALSO BE CONGRUENT TO 0 (mod 3). Let a = 3x, c = 3y, Then, 9x² + 6b² = 18y² + 3d². 3x² + 2b² = 6y² + d². So, 3 divides b, 3 divides d. Let b = 3z; d = 3w. 3x² + 2b² = 6y² + d². 3x² + 18z² = 6y² + 9w². x² + 6z² = 2y² + 3w². (a/3)² + 6(b/3)² = 2(c/3)² + 3(d/3)² = N/9. So, if N is writable simultaneously as a² + 6b², 2a² + 3b² both the forms, then certainly N/9 is being writable as well. We will get that GCD(a, b, c, d) ≥ 3. If in case that we claim a primitive minimal solution for the following equation, a² + 6b² = 2c² + 3d², then, and this argument will certainly lead to a contradiction. So, by using the method of infinite descent, the only possible solutions into the following equation, a² + 6b² = 2c² + 3d², actually are being a = 0, b = 0, c = 0, d = 0. Similarly, that concerning for the following equation a² + 10b² = 2c² + 5d² This equation has got with no non-trivial solutions As since 2 is being a quadratic non-residue mod 5, a² - 2c² = 0 (mod 5). This certainly leads into following 5 divides a, 5 divides c. Similar argument will apply → no non-zero solutions. On the other hand, for the following equation a² + 14b² = 2c² + 7d² As since 2 is a quadratic residue mod 7, a² - 2c² = 0 (mod 7), has certainly got with some solutions without necessarily that 7 dividing a, 7 dividing c. So, the same argument for the above mentioned two equations over thereby does not work out over hereby. a² + 14b² = 2c² + 7d² Applying that a = 1, b = 1, c = 2, d = 1, suits out! In general, I claim that for the following equation, a² + 2kb² = 2c² + kd² if in case that 2, k are being co-prime to each other in, then within, the equation has got with non-trivial, i.e. non-zero solutions if and only if 2 is being a quadratic residue mod k. In general, I guess that for the following equation, a² + pkb² = pc² + kd² if in case that p, k are being co-prime to each other in, then within, the equation has got with non-trivial, i.e. non-zero solutions if and only if p is being a quadratic residue mod k. |
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Noodles
"Mr. Tuch"
Dec 2007
Chennai, India
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Dear alpertron:
-> I do know that if a prime p can be written into the form a²+kb² form, then its representation is being unique - if both of a, b are being positive, or without that restriction - there will be four solutions for a prime for the representation by any quadratic form. If N is the product of m distinct primes(ALL / SOME) such that it can be written into the form with N = a²+kb² form, then there will be 2m different solutions to (a, b) inside the positive integers, by itself. If in case that you would include with the negative values, then there will be 2m+2 different solutions to (a, b). I am not much interested in the solutions of (a, b), as since they are not being unique. I am much interested in the numbers which are being writable into the form a²+kb² form, by itself. If k = 5, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+2ab+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 7} mod 20. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+2ab+3b² can be written into the form a²+5b², by itself. (2a²+2ab+3b²)(2c²+2cd+3d²) = |2ac+ad+bc-2bd|²+5|ad+bc+bd|² (2a²+2ab+3b²)(2c²+2cd+3d²) = |2ac+ad+bc+3bd|²+5|ad-bc|² If k = 6, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+3b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 3, 5, 11} mod 24. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+3b² can be written into the form a²+6b², by itself. (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac-3bd|²+6|ad+bc|² (2a²+3b²)(2c²+3d²) = |2ac+3bd|²+6|ad-bc|² If k = 10, you need to examine the solution to p = 2a²+5b² where p is being a prime factor of N congruent to {2, 5, 7, 13, 23, 37} mod 40. The product of two primes of the form 2a²+5b² can be written into the form a²+10b², by itself. (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac-5bd|²+10|ad+bc|² (2a²+5b²)(2c²+5d²) = |2ac+5bd|²+10|ad-bc|² But, these polynomial forms such as those like 2a²+2ab+3b², 2a²+3b², 2a²+5b², a²+5b², a²+6b², a²+10b², etc. will span with ALL the primes lying in certain set of residue classes (mod 4k). Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 18, 21, 22, 24, 25, 28, 30, 33, 37, 40, 42, 45, 48, 57, 58, 60, 70, 72, 78, 85, 88, 93, 102, 105, 112, 120, 130, 133, 165, 168, 177, 190, 210, 232, 240, 253, 273, 280, 312, 330, 345, 357, 385, 408, 462, 520, 760, 840, 1320, 1365, 1848 On the other hand, consider with the case for k = 11: The polynomial of a²+11b² form will only span with SOME of the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. (You may expand it to the residue classes mod 44, by this itself). On the other hand, the polynomial of 3a²+2ab+4b² form seems to generate with the REMAINING primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. As a result, the two polynomials of a²+11b² form, 3a²+2ab+4b² form TOGETHER appears to form a basis for all the primes lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11. Not it is being possible with any of these two single polynomials individually. Is it being possible for anyone to explain why this happens? And then if possible being able to point out off to any potentially available references, or links for the elaborating in detail, in depth towards this mechanism? What primes are being representable in the form a²+11b² form, thereby distinguishing it from the primes of the form 3a²+2ab+4b² form, lying in the residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, by itself But although, for all the primes p lying in the following residue classes {0, 1, 3, 4, 5, 9} mod 11, it's being possible to write with 4 × p into the form a²+11b², by itself. 4 × (a²+11b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = 2a, d = 2b, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself 4 × (3a²+2ab+4b²) = c²+11d² form, with, c = a + 4b, d = a, over thereby, by itself, following with this statement of transformation, by itself Similarly, so it happens, thus for the following values of k, over thereby, by itself, k = 11, 19, 20, 27, 32, 35, 36, 43, 51, 52, 64, 67, 75, 84, 91, 96, 99, 100, 115, 123, 132, 147, 148, 160, 163, 180, 187, 192, 195, 228, 235, 267, 288, 315, 340, 352, 372, 403, 420, 427, 435, 448, 480, 483, 532, 555, 595, 627, 660, 672, 708, 715, 795, 928, 960, 1012, 1092, 1120, 1155, 1248, 1380, 1428, 1435, 1540, 1632, 1995, 2080, 3003, 3040, 3315, 3360, 5280, 5460, 7392 By some same way, the following rings of integers Z[(1+√-k)/2], Z[(1+√-3)/2], Z[(1+√-7)/2], Z[(1+√-11)/2], Z[(1+√-19)/2], Z[(1+√-43)/2], Z[(1+√-67)/2], Z[(1+√-163)/2], for k = 3, 7, 11, 19, 43, 67, 163 are being unique factorization domains, by itself. with k being prime, of the form 3 (mod 4), by itself, and then (k+1)/4 is being either 1 or prime, with the polynomial of the form x²+x+(k+1)/4 form, being with generating with all-prime values from k = 0 ... (k-7)/4. Quite directly it is being Amazingly startling with, unbelievable with, by itself, with, ! Following statement why it is being significant enough, as follows Let N be a non-negative integer that can be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0). Let p be a prime factor that divides N (raised to an odd power), i.e. pm divides N, pm+1 does not divide N, whereby m is being odd. Then, if p can also always be written as (a/2)²+k(b/2)² (with a ≥ 0, b ≥ 0), then k = 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 11, 12, 19, 43, 67, 163 |
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