Black Friday the 13th's move

Dubslow · 2012-12-29, 22:20

Well... I'm not exactly sure what should go in a poll, so I guess we'll just have to brainstorm. :smile:

I'm thinking we should be attacking e4, in order to pressure their white bishop, so we should either do f5 or d5. I'm open to any other idea as well :razz:

LaurV · 2012-12-31, 09:09

That is very interesting (and unexpected) move on their side. We have many choices here, one is to be active in the center, another is to make a waiting move to see what they want with that pawn, like playing Rc8, Re8, Qc7, Qc8, Qd7, the last two seems better because they are hitting the f5 square too, and their intention with this move may be the f5 square. I am adept to the "active" version, studying now 13...d5/e5/f5, looking for the most incisive one :smile:, between the preparations for new year's eve. Also, 13...f6 seems good compromise, is both an active move and a "waiting" move, strengthening the center.

I think I won't be back this year (still less then 8 hours here, I still have to help SWMBO with cooking, right now I was washing a blanket, by hand because it is too big to fit in the washing machine, so I am in the break of waiting to drain the water from it, otherwise is too heavy and I can't lift it on the drying rope :smile: or the rope may break).

So, happy new year to everybody. BRB next year...

science_man_88 · 2013-01-01, 19:05

[QUOTE=LaurV;323170]That is very interesting (and unexpected) move on their side. We have many choices here, one is to be active in the center, another is to make a waiting move to see what they want with that pawn, like playing Rc8, Re8, Qc7, Qc8, Qd7, the last two seems better because they are hitting the f5 square too, and their intention with this move may be the f5 square. I am adept to the "active" version, studying now 13...d5/e5/f5, looking for the most incisive one :smile:, between the preparations for new year's eve. Also, 13...f6 seems good compromise, is both an active move and a "waiting" move, strengthening the center.

I think I won't be back this year (still less then 8 hours here, I still have to help SWMBO with cooking, right now I was washing a blanket, by hand because it is too big to fit in the washing machine, so I am in the break of waiting to drain the water from it, otherwise is too heavy and I can't lift it on the drying rope :smile: or the rope may break).

So, happy new year to everybody. BRB next year...[/QUOTE]

admittedly I've been afk for a while, I'll see what I can figure a little later.

LaurV · 2013-01-02, 08:13

I think now it's the time for f5, we argued so much for it :D
Hope they take it :D
So, my move is: 13...f5

Dubslow · 2013-01-02, 21:32

[QUOTE=science_man_88;323331]admittedly I've been afk for a while, I'll see what I can figure a little later.[/QUOTE]

By my count you have three days to post a reply :smile:

I will certainly wait for your response.

science_man_88 · 2013-01-02, 22:12

[QUOTE=Dubslow;323413]By my count you have three days to post a reply :smile:

I will certainly wait for your response.[/QUOTE]

admittedly f5 is a pretty decent move since we have the rook, the knight, and 2 pawns that can protect. d5 also has 4 to protect, and after the capture white has but one reply to capture again, f5 they have 2 but it's a toss for now.

LaurV · 2013-01-03, 05:06

The point with f5 against d5 is that they can't really take it. If they take it, their king is not so much protected anymore, we get the column with the rook and the diagonals with the queen and white-square bishop, toward their king. Moreover, we can plant a "bad knight" into their ribs, same discussion as for the previous move. I think, if they take it, is worse for them than if they don't take it. If they are clever, they may move something else and let us take e4 first (this depends on their move).

science_man_88 · 2013-01-03, 18:49

[QUOTE=LaurV;323449]The point with f5 against d5 is that they can't really take it. If they take it, their king is not so much protected anymore, we get the column with the rook and the diagonals with the queen and white-square bishop, toward their king. Moreover, we can plant a "bad knight" into their ribs, same discussion as for the previous move. I think, if they take it, is worse for them than if they don't take it. If they are clever, they may move something else and let us take e4 first (this depends on their move).[/QUOTE]

couldn't they:

13) ... f5 14) exf5 Bxf3 15) Rxf3 ... and go up by 1 point in the ranking of pieces by value.
edit: though I guess I see a way for there to be a comeback afterwards.

Dubslow · 2013-01-03, 19:53

[QUOTE=science_man_88;323496]couldn't they:

13) ... f5 14) exf5 Bxf3 15) Rxf3 ... and go up by 1 point in the ranking of pieces by value.
edit: though I guess I see a way for there to be a comeback afterwards.[/QUOTE]

Well we'd simply e/gxf5 back (I think e), and then we'd be even. Personally though, I don't see exf5 as too big a possibility. g5 is more interesting.

science_man_88 · 2013-01-03, 20:45

[QUOTE=Dubslow;323501]Well we'd simply e/gxf5 back (I think e), and then we'd be even. Personally though, I don't see exf5 as too big a possibility. g5 is more interesting.[/QUOTE]

yeah we capture f5 they capture back we are forced to capture again to stay even piece wise.

edit: sorry dubslow I know you are reading this but, I do see one positive out of all that capturing, namely that we can move our knight to f5 threatening the remaining bishop

Dubslow · 2013-01-03, 21:14

[QUOTE=science_man_88;323505]yeah we capture f5 they capture back we are forced to capture again to stay even piece wise.

edit: sorry dubslow I know you are reading this but, I do see one positive out of all that capturing, namely that we can move our knight to f5 threatening the remaining bishop[/QUOTE]

Let's put it this way: do you see a better move than f5? d5 is almost as good, and depending on how they respond, I think it might be our next next move anyways.

2012-12-29, 22:20	#1
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 3·29·83 Posts	Black Friday the 13th's move Well... I'm not exactly sure what should go in a poll, so I guess we'll just have to brainstorm. :smile: I'm thinking we should be attacking e4, in order to pressure their white bishop, so we should either do f5 or d5. I'm open to any other idea as well :razz:

2013-01-03, 05:06	#7
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41×251 Posts	The point with f5 against d5 is that they can't really take it. If they take it, their king is not so much protected anymore, we get the column with the rook and the diagonals with the queen and white-square bishop, toward their king. Moreover, we can plant a "bad knight" into their ribs, same discussion as for the previous move. I think, if they take it, is worse for them than if they don't take it. If they are clever, they may move something else and let us take e4 first (this depends on their move). Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-01-03 at 05:08

2013-01-03, 18:49	#8
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;323449]The point with f5 against d5 is that they can't really take it. If they take it, their king is not so much protected anymore, we get the column with the rook and the diagonals with the queen and white-square bishop, toward their king. Moreover, we can plant a "bad knight" into their ribs, same discussion as for the previous move. I think, if they take it, is worse for them than if they don't take it. If they are clever, they may move something else and let us take e4 first (this depends on their move).[/QUOTE] couldn't they: 13) ... f5 14) exf5 Bxf3 15) Rxf3 ... and go up by 1 point in the ranking of pieces by value. edit: though I guess I see a way for there to be a comeback afterwards. Last fiddled with by science_man_88 on 2013-01-03 at 19:05

2013-01-03, 20:45	#10
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	[QUOTE=Dubslow;323501]Well we'd simply e/gxf5 back (I think e), and then we'd be even. Personally though, I don't see exf5 as too big a possibility. g5 is more interesting.[/QUOTE] yeah we capture f5 they capture back we are forced to capture again to stay even piece wise. edit: sorry dubslow I know you are reading this but, I do see one positive out of all that capturing, namely that we can move our knight to f5 threatening the remaining bishop Last fiddled with by science_man_88 on 2013-01-03 at 21:05

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2012-12-31, 09:09	#2
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	That is very interesting (and unexpected) move on their side. We have many choices here, one is to be active in the center, another is to make a waiting move to see what they want with that pawn, like playing Rc8, Re8, Qc7, Qc8, Qd7, the last two seems better because they are hitting the f5 square too, and their intention with this move may be the f5 square. I am adept to the "active" version, studying now 13...d5/e5/f5, looking for the most incisive one :smile:, between the preparations for new year's eve. Also, 13...f6 seems good compromise, is both an active move and a "waiting" move, strengthening the center. I think I won't be back this year (still less then 8 hours here, I still have to help SWMBO with cooking, right now I was washing a blanket, by hand because it is too big to fit in the washing machine, so I am in the break of waiting to drain the water from it, otherwise is too heavy and I can't lift it on the drying rope :smile: or the rope may break). So, happy new year to everybody. BRB next year...

2013-01-01, 19:05	#3
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 8,461 Posts	[QUOTE=LaurV;323170]That is very interesting (and unexpected) move on their side. We have many choices here, one is to be active in the center, another is to make a waiting move to see what they want with that pawn, like playing Rc8, Re8, Qc7, Qc8, Qd7, the last two seems better because they are hitting the f5 square too, and their intention with this move may be the f5 square. I am adept to the "active" version, studying now 13...d5/e5/f5, looking for the most incisive one :smile:, between the preparations for new year's eve. Also, 13...f6 seems good compromise, is both an active move and a "waiting" move, strengthening the center. I think I won't be back this year (still less then 8 hours here, I still have to help SWMBO with cooking, right now I was washing a blanket, by hand because it is too big to fit in the washing machine, so I am in the break of waiting to drain the water from it, otherwise is too heavy and I can't lift it on the drying rope :smile: or the rope may break). So, happy new year to everybody. BRB next year...[/QUOTE] admittedly I've been afk for a while, I'll see what I can figure a little later.

2013-01-02, 08:13	#4
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 41·251 Posts	I think now it's the time for f5, we argued so much for it :D Hope they take it :D So, my move is: 13...f5

2013-01-02, 21:32	#5
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 3×29×83 Posts	[QUOTE=science_man_88;323331]admittedly I've been afk for a while, I'll see what I can figure a little later.[/QUOTE] By my count you have three days to post a reply :smile: I will certainly wait for your response.

2013-01-02, 22:12	#6
science_man_88 "Forget I exist" Jul 2009 Dartmouth NS 210D₁₆ Posts	[QUOTE=Dubslow;323413]By my count you have three days to post a reply :smile: I will certainly wait for your response.[/QUOTE] admittedly f5 is a pretty decent move since we have the rook, the knight, and 2 pawns that can protect. d5 also has 4 to protect, and after the capture white has but one reply to capture again, f5 they have 2 but it's a toss for now.

2013-01-03, 19:53	#9
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 1110000110101₂ Posts	[QUOTE=science_man_88;323496]couldn't they: 13) ... f5 14) exf5 Bxf3 15) Rxf3 ... and go up by 1 point in the ranking of pieces by value. edit: though I guess I see a way for there to be a comeback afterwards.[/QUOTE] Well we'd simply e/gxf5 back (I think e), and then we'd be even. Personally though, I don't see exf5 as too big a possibility. g5 is more interesting.

2013-01-03, 21:14	#11
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 3·29·83 Posts	[QUOTE=science_man_88;323505]yeah we capture f5 they capture back we are forced to capture again to stay even piece wise. edit: sorry dubslow I know you are reading this but, I do see one positive out of all that capturing, namely that we can move our knight to f5 threatening the remaining bishop[/QUOTE] Let's put it this way: do you see a better move than f5? d5 is almost as good, and depending on how they respond, I think it might be our next next move anyways.