The Right Way to Keep Bare Gubs - Page 24

chappy · 2016-01-04, 22:09

I would agree. List the crimes they are currently committing. Put up a fence around them and charge them by day for all of the response. Both as a criminal offense and as the cost of putting up with their nonsense. Tell them that monetary cost up front.

How long will it be before they give themselves up? Throwing off the manacles of tyranny would have worked better in the Spring.

kladner · 2016-01-04, 22:17

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Originally Posted by chappy

As with most situations the reality is complicated. In this case by a certain antagonism that certain Mormon factions feel toward the Government.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimdalrymple...-yo#.bkElEpWMv

However, let's not call them militias. These guys are, at best, whiny children with guns, and at worst domestic terrorists (it's hard for me to justify calling a group whose main threat so far is taking over a building that nobody cares about actual terrorists. Maybe potential terrorists. Terrorist lite^tm or VanillaISIS.

I am one who does care about wildlife refuges. The occupiers' attitude is that they should be able to graze, log, ATV, hunt....whatever they want, on this land, which happens to be a major migratory stopover.

chappy · 2016-01-04, 22:21

That is a subject separate from their current actions.

kladner · 2016-01-04, 22:23

Bundy has spouted off to that effect. Given his love of arsonists, one might be concerned about his actions.

chappy · 2016-01-04, 22:40

But it is not against the law, neither Federal nor State to want to "be able to graze, log, ATV, hunt....whatever they want, on this land."

It may be against the law to do any or all of those things in certain situations, that is not the issue at hand. The current situation may have come about because a small group of terribly oppressed middle-class white males aren't getting everything they want, but it is their current actions that require response.

Batalov · 2016-01-04, 23:08

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Originally Posted by chappy

... or VanillaISIS.

Lovely invention

ewmayer · 2016-01-05, 02:43

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Originally Posted by Batalov

Lovely invention

Another good one from an anonymous (at least to me) Twitteratus was "YallQaeda".

Armed domestic terrorists take over federal building, but it’s OK, they’re white | Boing Boing

Best comment I saw today was a snarky reference to US machinations in Syria by an NC reader: "Aren’t there moderate militias in Oregon we could be supporting?"

chappy · 2016-01-05, 02:55

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html

A good overview from boots on the ground.

kladner · 2016-01-05, 03:39

Even those who might sympathize are not taking the bait. I am getting really sick of the name Bundy. The old man is still a scofflaw, owing tons of money to the government. He is in contempt of court orders. Surely, after the stand-off, the perpetrators could be picked up individually. More significantly, Cliven's bank accounts could be frozen. The government, incarnate in the IRS, is not backward about such tactics, though in this case it would probably come as another court order.

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Ammon Bundy met with Dwight Hammond and his wife in November, seeking a way to keep the elderly rancher from having to surrender for prison. The Hammonds professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.

Ammon Bundy said the goal is to turn over federal land to local ranchers, loggers and miners. He said he met with 10 or so residents in Burns on Friday to try to recruit them, but they declined.

I have to add that Dan holds to the idea that the DOJ, under a Democratic administration, does not want to do anything that might give the Republican candidates any ammunition (black pun intended).

chappy · 2016-01-05, 04:52

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/what...standoff-52111

The Onion breaks from its long standing tradition of satire to publish a serious news item.

wombatman · 2016-01-05, 04:55

Not entirely serious ;)

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Who is Ammon Bundy?

An American patriot who is currently living inside a government wildlife building in the middle of Oregon to defend ranchers who burned down 130 acres of federal land.

Are the protesters violent?

They have vowed to only seek a peaceful overthrow of the entire U.S. federal government.

How long are they planning to stay?

As long as their supply of whiskey and bison chili lasts.

What is the militia ultimately hoping to achieve?

Garner enough attention over next few weeks to be brought onstage during rally for a low-polling GOP candidate.

Is the protest going to work?

Nope.

Once again, the Onion provides wonderfully biting insight.

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2016-01-04, 22:09	#254
chappy "Jeff" Feb 2012 St. Louis, Missouri, USA 13·89 Posts	I would agree. List the crimes they are currently committing. Put up a fence around them and charge them by day for all of the response. Both as a criminal offense and as the cost of putting up with their nonsense. Tell them that monetary cost up front. How long will it be before they give themselves up? Throwing off the manacles of tyranny would have worked better in the Spring.

2016-01-04, 22:21	#256
chappy "Jeff" Feb 2012 St. Louis, Missouri, USA 13·89 Posts	That is a subject separate from their current actions.

2016-01-04, 22:23	#257
kladner "Kieren" Jul 2011 In My Own Galaxy! 2×3×1,693 Posts	Bundy has spouted off to that effect. Given his love of arsonists, one might be concerned about his actions.

2016-01-04, 22:40	#258
chappy "Jeff" Feb 2012 St. Louis, Missouri, USA 10010000101₂ Posts	But it is not against the law, neither Federal nor State to want to "be able to graze, log, ATV, hunt....whatever they want, on this land." It may be against the law to do any or all of those things in certain situations, that is not the issue at hand. The current situation may have come about because a small group of terribly oppressed middle-class white males aren't getting everything they want, but it is their current actions that require response.

2016-01-05, 02:55	#261
chappy "Jeff" Feb 2012 St. Louis, Missouri, USA 13·89 Posts	http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html A good overview from boots on the ground.

2016-01-05, 04:52	#263
chappy "Jeff" Feb 2012 St. Louis, Missouri, USA 10010000101₂ Posts	http://www.theonion.com/graphic/what...standoff-52111 The Onion breaks from its long standing tradition of satire to publish a serious news item.