Vote Chess: Game 1 - Page 10

Dubslow · 2012-11-20, 05:40

Nge7

henryzz · 2012-11-21, 23:15

Be3

henryzz · 2012-11-28, 07:56

Less than 24 hours left.

LaurV · 2012-11-28, 18:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by henryzz

Less than 24 hours left.

Just in case Batalov is not here, and Dubslow has an exam right now (Good Luck!) we somehow voted for Nd4.

Dubslow · 2012-11-28, 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

Just in case Batalov is not here, and Dubslow has an exam right now (Good Luck!) we somehow voted for Nd4.

Heh, it was an hour ago and stupidly easy.

(The material is hard, but the exam was computational, no proofs required.)

Batalov · 2012-11-30, 02:37

I will ask both teams once: do you consider private messaging to the members of the opposite team off-limits? Especially without consulting members of your own team? This behaviour should stop -- now.

henryzz · 2012-11-30, 03:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batalov

Attachment 8923I will ask both teams once: do you consider private messaging to the members of the opposite team off-limits? Especially without consulting members of your own team? This behaviour should stop -- now.

Obviously completely unrelated stuff should be allowed.
Circular pms like Raman sent shouldn't be allowed.

LaurV · 2012-11-30, 08:39

Theoretically, there is no reason to restrict private messaging. We assume the participants are honest, they don't disclose the strategy to the adversary, they don't use chess engines, they don't move against the team (anyhow this would be difficult due to the voting system), etc. If they want to be dishonest, no one can stop them. They can use engines, or contact the other team outside of this forum. Up to now, we did not have too much to hide, the game is "from the book".

The question anyhow, is if it's worth to be dishonest. I thought we play for fun here. We can sustain a good game due to internet databases and the long time allowed to analyze the moves, but we are not Kasparovs and there will be no shame if we lose. We play for fun, and regardless of the result, we will learn something (I already have learned a lot, studying this Closed Sicilian game on the web). But over all, we play for fun. If any money are involved, we don't know about

and the fame does not count, as long as we are not in the same room with a board in front of us, we can prove nothing.

On the other hand, the PM's should be, as the name says, PRIVATE. They should be not readable, even by the supermods, except maybe the forum admin, who can be involved in solving disputes. If some guy sent me a PM instead of putting it on public topic, this is either because the subject was not of interest of other people, and he does not want to bother them, or either because he wanted the message to remain private. It won't be nice from me to make it public. I can make a PM public if I want, and if I ask the other parties involved in it, and if they agree. Or if I consider the message to be offensive, I can make it public without asking the sender, to solve some dispute or get the guy "behind the bars" (well, the forum's bars, at least).

So, if some PM is bothersome, chess or not chess, the dispute has to be solved between the sender, receiver, and some supermod.

Brian-E · 2012-11-30, 10:05

Mike set up the private forum area with passwords known only to the team members for a good reason. An important part of the fun of chess (we are indeed playing for fun as LaurV points out) is the "battle of wits" element. If we are subject to information leakage from the other team about their thought processes, this fun is largely spoiled. However honest we are, it's difficult to ignore and forget the information once we have unfortunately read the PM.

I am in full agreement with both Batalov ("This behaviour should stop -- now") and henryzz. I take issue with LaurV insofar as I think this sort of illicit PM is an issue for everyone involved in the game.

henryzz · 2012-11-30, 12:16

The geckos move 9. O-O.

Batalov, is it easy for you to add letters and numbers to the screenshot's you are producing of the board positions?

Raman · 2012-11-30, 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batalov

[img]8923[/img]I will ask both teams once: do you consider private messaging to the members of the opposite team off-limits? Especially without consulting members of your own team? This behaviour should stop -- now.

How do you know I sent a Private Message to them? David had posted before itself into this thread -- "Less than 1 day being left...". I sent to them an update of the "Black's VIII-th move" so that the game will be rather up-to-date, with the latest most voted move, itself, and then ofr the our own black side does not lose on time factors, constraints, either.

By the way, congratulations onto your latest hat-trick of your own Fermat Factors! May I know what software do you make use of, in order to find out, getting away with those Fermat factors, itself, as such, as since?

2012-11-30, 08:39	#107
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 2⁶·151 Posts	Theoretically, there is no reason to restrict private messaging. We assume the participants are honest, they don't disclose the strategy to the adversary, they don't use chess engines, they don't move against the team (anyhow this would be difficult due to the voting system), etc. If they want to be dishonest, no one can stop them. They can use engines, or contact the other team outside of this forum. Up to now, we did not have too much to hide, the game is "from the book". The question anyhow, is if it's worth to be dishonest. I thought we play for fun here. We can sustain a good game due to internet databases and the long time allowed to analyze the moves, but we are not Kasparovs and there will be no shame if we lose. We play for fun, and regardless of the result, we will learn something (I already have learned a lot, studying this Closed Sicilian game on the web). But over all, we play for fun. If any money are involved, we don't know about and the fame does not count, as long as we are not in the same room with a board in front of us, we can prove nothing. On the other hand, the PM's should be, as the name says, PRIVATE. They should be not readable, even by the supermods, except maybe the forum admin, who can be involved in solving disputes. If some guy sent me a PM instead of putting it on public topic, this is either because the subject was not of interest of other people, and he does not want to bother them, or either because he wanted the message to remain private. It won't be nice from me to make it public. I can make a PM public if I want, and if I ask the other parties involved in it, and if they agree. Or if I consider the message to be offensive, I can make it public without asking the sender, to solve some dispute or get the guy "behind the bars" (well, the forum's bars, at least). So, if some PM is bothersome, chess or not chess, the dispute has to be solved between the sender, receiver, and some supermod. Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2012-11-30 at 08:45

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2012-11-20, 05:40	#100
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 16065₈ Posts	Nge7

2012-11-21, 23:15	#101
henryzz Just call me Henry "David" Sep 2007 Cambridge (GMT/BST) 7·29² Posts	Be3

2012-11-28, 07:56	#102
henryzz Just call me Henry "David" Sep 2007 Cambridge (GMT/BST) 7·29² Posts	Less than 24 hours left.

2012-11-30, 02:37	#105
Batalov "Serge" Mar 2008 Phi(4,2^7658614+1)/2 9,497 Posts	I will ask both teams once: do you consider private messaging to the members of the opposite team off-limits? Especially without consulting members of your own team? This behaviour should stop -- now.

2012-11-30, 10:05	#108
Brian-E "Brian" Jul 2007 The Netherlands 7×467 Posts	Mike set up the private forum area with passwords known only to the team members for a good reason. An important part of the fun of chess (we are indeed playing for fun as LaurV points out) is the "battle of wits" element. If we are subject to information leakage from the other team about their thought processes, this fun is largely spoiled. However honest we are, it's difficult to ignore and forget the information once we have unfortunately read the PM. I am in full agreement with both Batalov ("This behaviour should stop -- now") and henryzz. I take issue with LaurV insofar as I think this sort of illicit PM is an issue for everyone involved in the game.

2012-11-30, 12:16	#109
henryzz Just call me Henry "David" Sep 2007 Cambridge (GMT/BST) 7·29² Posts	The geckos move 9. O-O. Batalov, is it easy for you to add letters and numbers to the screenshot's you are producing of the board positions?