Tortured 100+, Persecutions 1.1

[LaurV]

Originally Posted by kladner

Could you check the date of Garo's post? Tell us what it is. I looked back several pages in this thread, and did not find a post from Garo. I would like to see what you are answering.

Can't you click on the small arrow in the quote he gave?
(not that it would absolve him of guilt, of course)

[kladner]

Originally Posted by LaurV

Can't you click on the small arrow in the quote he gave?
(not that it would absolve him of guilt, of course)

Coulda, shoulda.
Wow! That drops into the heat of a Cheesehead battle! Stab from the past.

I have to say that ch4 has a point about Congressional Republicans and Gitmo. I don't know if Obama could have hammered the point more effectively. It seems unlikely.

[Xyzzy]

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...-arab-emirates

The other 13 prisoners had never been charged with a crime.

[Nick]

The UK government has apologised to a Libyan dissident and his wife after its actions contributed to their detention, transfer to Libya and his torture by Colonel Gaddafi's forces in 2004.

Press article: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44070304

[wombatman]

Sen. John McCain called on the Senate to reject Gina Haspel's nomination to be the director of the CIA, citing her refusal in testimony on Wednesday to acknowledge "torture's immorality."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/polit...cia/index.html

That's...surprising. She'll probably still get confirmed, though.

[Dr Sardonicus]

The National Security Archive, a private organization, filed a FOIA request. They plan to release the 11 cables they got, early today (Friday, August 10).

Torture of al-Qaeda suspect described in 2002 cables sent by CIA Director Gina Haspel

[Batalov]

There are some countries that do not even blink when they hear about torture of (alleged) terrorists. There, torture is the norm.

Additional publications emerged recently that "cleared" the issue of the videorecorders. Apparently video recordings were made in order to report to the superiors, according to the testimony of the arrested FSIN members. Not for what you could have though, -- like preventing abuse (because one is aware that they are filmed), which is supposedly the motivation for videorecorders worn by the americal police troops.

[Dr Sardonicus]

Originally Posted by Batalov

There are some countries that do not even blink when they hear about torture of (alleged) terrorists. There, torture is the norm.

Additional publications emerged recently that "cleared" the issue of the videorecorders. Apparently video recordings were made in order to report to the superiors, according to the testimony of the arrested FSIN members. Not for what you could have though, -- like preventing abuse (because one is aware that they are filmed), which is supposedly the motivation for videorecorders worn by the americal police troops.

Being illiterate, I couldn't read the Новая газета. I understand an English version is on Facebook, but I'm not. The video should be required viewing for anyone wanting to buy one of these.

[xilman]

Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus

Being illiterate, I couldn't read the Новая газета.

Illiteracy is curable.

For my part, I have to transliterate Cyrillic script character by character. Having done that, my scanty knowledge of Slavic is sometimes sufficient to grasp the meaning. Otherwise, I use Google Translate. However, I always try transliteration first and resort to the latter because it helps me learn the language, whether it be Russian, Bulgarian or whatever.

[ewmayer]

Must've missed wombatman's May post here:

Originally Posted by wombatman

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/09/polit...cia/index.html

That's...surprising. She'll probably still get confirmed, though.

So for McCain, bombing countries for the slightest provocation or made-up pretext is fine, but torture is immoral - good to know! The world would've been a better place if the N.Vietnamese had held on to that particular POW.

[Dr Sardonicus]

Originally Posted by ewmayer

The world would've been a better place if the N.Vietnamese had held on to that particular POW.

Yes, they were making the world a better place by showing, through the way they treated him, what exemplars they were of treating people humanely. They emphasized this after the war, calling their political prisons "re-education camps."