The "100 mile high" Club! - Page 3

petrw1 · 2012-08-30, 05:31

4 X 90%+
2 X 100%

Personally:

I think 6 X 98% is doable.
6 X 99 a stretch.
6 X 100 .... special club indeed....not one I would likely get membership in.

ET_ · 2012-08-30, 08:01

Well, I never minded about the lower graphic... Now, I'm impressed!

Luigi

LaurV · 2012-08-30, 08:52

In fact, about ECM/ECMF, everything we should do is to convince more people to join the fray. If more people participate in ECM/ECMF factoring, our percentile will raise even if we do nothing. It is different to be position 7 in a hundred (93%) or be position 7 in a thousand (99%).

For me, and for anyone below position ~~10 (!!)~~ 5 (five!) on ECMF top, this is the only solution to reach 100% percentile for ECMF. If ET_ with that big score and third position in top is just 99%, then we are all hopeless... Without increasing the number of participants, this will be more difficult than LL - almost impossible, no matter your resources, without cheating**. You must get the first/second position on top to have 100% percentile, and did you see the scores of those two guys?

Maybe this is what xyzzy wants, in fact? Increasing the numbers of ECM/ECMF participants? Why? So he can get better percentiles too?

It works for me, however! I will also get better without doing anything! hehe...

[edit ** cheating is easy on ECM/ECMF, the server still has that bug to give you multiple credits if you submit the same curves many times. So you can do 5 curves and get credit for 50 or 500 or more - no joke, I tried it]

ET_ · 2012-08-30, 09:04

If you have a big iron and lots of RAM, you can do ECMF on F12-F13-F14 with GMP-ECM using the default B2 range chosen by the program instead of B2=100*B1, submit your results to George and gather lots of points.

If your RAM is below 8GB, you can still use a B2 greater than the one chosen by Prime95, and get your premium GHz/day.

Luigi

Xyzzy · 2012-08-30, 09:24

Quote:

If you have a big iron and lots of RAM, you can do ECMF on F12-F13-F14 with GMP-ECM using the default B2 range chosen by the program instead of B2=100*B1, submit your results to George and gather lots of points.

Too bad there isn't a provision to award mega points for finding a Fermat factor. (Even if it was with a different program!)

Xyzzy · 2012-08-30, 09:27

You all are tossing out great ideas. Keep the ideas coming and surely that there will be a consensus about how to manage this!

We still need someone to step up and take control of things. We heard that ET_ was thinking about it…

LaurV · 2012-08-30, 09:49

I redid the calculus according with what I said in post #25. If the goal is not to bring more people into ECMF factoring, then you should really exempt the ECMF bar from the 100% requirement. It is almost impossible for anybody except Buckle (first guy in top) to get 100% percentile for ECMF without cheating, for many years from now, regardless of their hardware. You should exempt ECM at all, it looks like an invitation to cheat, which can have bad effect on the number of curves, as long as cheating is possible (see post #25).

axn · 2012-08-30, 10:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

I redid the calculus according with what I said in post #25. If the goal is not to bring more people into ECMF factoring, then you should really exempt the ECMF bar from the 100% requirement. It is almost impossible for anybody except Buckle (first guy in top) to get 100% percentile for ECMF without cheating, for many years from now, regardless of their hardware. You should exempt ECM at all, it looks like an invitation to cheat, which can have bad effect on the number of curves, as long as cheating is possible (see post #25).

It is trivially easy to cheat on P-1 also. I will leave out the details of how.

retina · 2012-08-30, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by frmky

It's nothing that complicated.

I'm too old-school to understand all this modern computery networky stuff. All I need is a block of wood and some fencing wire and I can make anything.

retina · 2012-08-30, 11:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaurV

It is almost impossible for anybody except Buckle (first guy in top) to get 100% percentile for ECMF without cheating ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by axn

It is trivially easy to cheat on P-1 also. I will leave out the details of how.

Why even bother to cheat the backend system when the front door is wide open.

ixfd64 · 2012-08-30, 20:52

Nope, not even close. Unless, of course, someone is willing to buy me a couple dozen of those 40-core HPC servers. :D

2012-08-30, 05:31	#23
petrw1 1976 Toyota Corona years forever! "Wayne" Nov 2006 Saskatchewan, Canada 2²×7×167 Posts	4 + 2 4 X 90%+ 2 X 100% Personally: I think 6 X 98% is doable. 6 X 99 a stretch. 6 X 100 .... special club indeed....not one I would likely get membership in. Attached Thumbnails

2012-08-30, 08:01	#24
ET_ Banned "Luigi" Aug 2002 Team Italia 4815₁₀ Posts	Well, I never minded about the lower graphic... Now, I'm impressed! Luigi Attached Thumbnails

2012-08-30, 09:04	#26
ET_ Banned "Luigi" Aug 2002 Team Italia 12CF₁₆ Posts	A small trick for ECMF stats If you have a big iron and lots of RAM, you can do ECMF on F12-F13-F14 with GMP-ECM using the default B2 range chosen by the program instead of B2=100*B1, submit your results to George and gather lots of points. If your RAM is below 8GB, you can still use a B2 greater than the one chosen by Prime95, and get your premium GHz/day. Luigi

2012-08-30, 09:49	#29
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 258B₁₆ Posts	I redid the calculus according with what I said in post #25. If the goal is not to bring more people into ECMF factoring, then you should really exempt the ECMF bar from the 100% requirement. It is almost impossible for anybody except Buckle (first guy in top) to get 100% percentile for ECMF without cheating, for many years from now, regardless of their hardware. You should exempt ECM at all, it looks like an invitation to cheat, which can have bad effect on the number of curves, as long as cheating is possible (see post #25). Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2012-08-30 at 09:50

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2012-08-30, 08:52	#25
LaurV Romulan Interpreter Jun 2011 Thailand 258B₁₆ Posts	In fact, about ECM/ECMF, everything we should do is to convince more people to join the fray. If more people participate in ECM/ECMF factoring, our percentile will raise even if we do nothing. It is different to be position 7 in a hundred (93%) or be position 7 in a thousand (99%). For me, and for anyone below position ~~10 (!!)~~ 5 (five!) on ECMF top, this is the only solution to reach 100% percentile for ECMF. If ET_ with that big score and third position in top is just 99%, then we are all hopeless... Without increasing the number of participants, this will be more difficult than LL - almost impossible, no matter your resources, without cheating. You must get the first/second position on top to have 100% percentile, and did you see the scores of those two guys? Maybe this is what xyzzy wants, in fact? Increasing the numbers of ECM/ECMF participants? Why? So he can get better percentiles too? It works for me, however! I will also get better without doing anything! hehe... [edit cheating is easy on ECM/ECMF, the server still has that bug to give you multiple credits if you submit the same curves many times. So you can do 5 curves and get credit for 50 or 500 or more - no joke, I tried it] Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2012-08-30 at 09:36

2012-08-30, 09:27	#28
Xyzzy "Mike" Aug 2002 2⁵×257 Posts	You all are tossing out great ideas. Keep the ideas coming and surely that there will be a consensus about how to manage this! We still need someone to step up and take control of things. We heard that ET_ was thinking about it…

2012-08-30, 20:52	#33
ixfd64 Bemusing Prompter "Danny" Dec 2002 California 2×5×239 Posts	Nope, not even close. Unless, of course, someone is willing to buy me a couple dozen of those 40-core HPC servers. :D