Trippple Checks

[chalsall]

Originally Posted by Madpoo

But then there are people searching for ET as well and I'd be shocked if they found anything either, but I guess it's fun they're trying.

ET life will likely be found within our lifetimes.

ET intelligence might take a bit more (but not much more) time.

[Madpoo]

Originally Posted by ATH

...<quoting from an older message>...Those exponents I marked with anonymous results 1-1.5 months apart just seems suspicious to me. Why were a first time and double check test given out so close apart? There were also anonymous results 3-6 months apart which I skipped, since we cannot triple check the entire database...

Right now all my systems are "tied up" finishing the 50M-60M exponents which takes them a bit longer of course than the smaller ones I've been tossing at them lately.

So in the meanwhile I've done some extra data spelunking, and I circled back around to this notion of yours of "temporal proximity".

To keep it simple to start with, I pulled up a list of all verified LL runs where the first and last runs were less than an hour apart (0-60 minutes).

There are 52 of those. It's especially weird when they come from different users. I mean, yeah, the same user might submit two within seconds if they submitted results from different runs they were doing alongside each other. But when 2 users submit their LL results within a few seconds of each other... what up with that?

Like:
M43709903

In that case, Curtis had the assignment, but "mersenne_bgwt" checked in their unassigned result 40 minutes before Curtis did.

There's a 2nd entry from that "mersenne_bgwt" user (same shift-count, so it's a dupe) that showed up in one of the old log files we recently merged in. Not sure how that happened, but it's from the same run, so ignore it.

Could have just been a case of the user poaching it and just happened to check it in 40 minutes before the real user. That's weird though.

Example #2: M64761757
Both had an assignment for the exponent, "Al Lovrich" checked in their result 50 minutes before Curtis.

The results from legacy users (where it would just show anonymous if they never mapped to a v5 user account) are similar... two different users submitting within minutes or even seconds of each other. Very bizarre.

[bloodIce]

Originally Posted by Madpoo

Like:
M43709903

In that case, Curtis had the assignment, but "mersenne_bgwt" checked in their unassigned result 40 minutes before Curtis did.

There's a 2nd entry from that "mersenne_bgwt" user (same shift-count, so it's a dupe) that showed up in one of the old log files we recently merged in. Not sure how that happened, but it's from the same run, so ignore it.

Could have just been a case of the user poaching it and just happened to check it in 40 minutes before the real user. That's weird though.

Example #2: M64761757
Both had an assignment for the exponent, "Al Lovrich" checked in their result 50 minutes before Curtis.

The results from legacy users (where it would just show anonymous if they never mapped to a v5 user account) are similar... two different users submitting within minutes or even seconds of each other. Very bizarre.

Possible evil plan of Curtis Cooper ? Trying to speed up the project? Saving interim residues at 99% and submitting from two machines. Verification complete, the project's LL power is shifted to a new exponent, not loosing time with DC.
I am willing to do some Pm1 on these two. Lets see if we can solve it easy.

[TheMawn]

Originally Posted by bloodIce

Trying to speed up the project? Saving interim residues at 99% and submitting from two machines. Verification complete,

I'm mostly sure you're joking.

[bloodIce]

Originally Posted by TheMawn

I'm mostly sure you're joking.

Yes, I am joking, sorry if my comment seems offensive. I do not know the reason for such twin submission, but as I said I will try to find factors (the success is not guaranteed). Before someone blames me, I would like to say that with my resources I need at least a year to complete LL-test in this range, but reasonable Pm1 would be done in couple of days. Same is true for TF to some additional levels. Do not shoot on me (it is not a hot range, two tests are completed but with some doubt), I am not messing with your progress of achieving the great aims ...

[Madpoo]

Originally Posted by bloodIce

Yes, I am joking, sorry if my comment seems offensive. I do not know the reason for such twin submission, but as I said I will try to find factors (the success is not guaranteed). Before someone blames me, I would like to say that with my resources I need at least a year to complete LL-test in this range, but reasonable Pm1 would be done in couple of days. Same is true for TF to some additional levels. Do not shoot on me (it is not a hot range, two tests are completed but with some doubt), I am not messing with your progress of achieving the great aims ...

I knew you were joking too.

I'm trying to think of a good word to use for when two results come in within hours of each other... I'm going to claim that I came up with the term "poaching" way back when (I don't even know if that's true, but I'll say it anyways), so let's see... I'm going to follow one of those stupid work-related mottos and "assume positive intent" with these. Maybe they were "poached" in spirit, but the poacher waited until the original assignee checked in and then submitted their result? Well, that's in cases where the assigned one came in first (not always true). But that's what I'm planning to do with these last 3 54M exponents (they'll probably expire first anyway). I've already run my checks and I'm waiting to see if the assignments finish or not, then I'll submit mine as double-checks.

Well, again assuming the best, maybe "pouncers". A result comes in and they pounce in with their own result which was apparently just waiting in the wings for some reason.
EDIT: I changed my mind... "prowlers". They're prowling the results and checking in their own as soon as someone else does. :) Yeah... I don't know why either.

Anyway... you could P-1 if you want. I'm trying to decide if it's worth doing triple-checks on these as well, and if so, what time window seems uncanny enough? If the two results are from the same person then I'm triple-checking anyway, but when it's from two different people and within minutes of each other, that seems odd. But is 10 minutes odd? 20? 1 or 2 minutes definitely seems like collusion.

I kind of went with 0-60 minutes because after at least 60 minutes, it would have shown up in the hourly stats and someone waiting to check in their own result might have seen it then and submitted theirs, quite innocently. I mean, if their goal was to be nice and not steal "first" credit from someone (whatever that's worth for composite #'s).

Since there are a limited # in that category I might triple-check them anyway. I'd weed out the ones that are likely already scooped into the self-verified triple-checking going on which would reduce that # further.

[Madpoo]

Here's an updated list...

I snagged a few more blocks of work (49M and up, and then from 29M up to 31M).

[Dubslow]

http://www.mersenne.org/report_expon...4548961&full=1

My first DC mismatch in more than 100 successful DCs. I'm not worried but since everyone seems to want to grab these

[Madpoo]

Originally Posted by Dubslow

http://www.mersenne.org/report_expon...4548961&full=1

My first DC mismatch in more than 100 successful DCs. I'm not worried but since everyone seems to want to grab these

If it doesn't get auto-assigned soon anyway, or nobody else grabs it by tomorrow, I can add that in. I have a feeling it'll get auto-assigned pretty quick since it's in the critical category for DC work.
http://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/

[Dubslow]

Originally Posted by Madpoo

If it doesn't get auto-assigned soon anyway, or nobody else grabs it by tomorrow, I can add that in. I have a feeling it'll get auto-assigned pretty quick since it's in the critical category for DC work.
http://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/

Unclaimed for 11 days and counting.

[Madpoo]

Originally Posted by Dubslow

Unclaimed for 11 days and counting.

Ah, well, I went ahead and added it to one of my workers then. I just looked on the server and there are 1219 other exponents smaller than this one so I guess it would be longer before it's assigned.

Maybe once I'm done futzing around with triple-checks and other nonsense I could dedicate some time to doing actual double-checks... seems like there aren't as many systems doing DC work?