thoughts of upgrading my computer - Page 10

science_man_88 · 2011-12-27, 22:43

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Originally Posted by Dubslow

yikes i7 for $600 vs. i3 for $550? That's a rip off. If you're on an i3 level of performance then AMD is more competitive... though the i3 might still be better.

wow this cheap monitor is big 20" and it's a i3 2130 64 bit os and 8 gb of DDR3 ram. still might get my stuff off the old system ( my mom may use it). and a 1.5 TB hard drive when even on my old one I only used 60 GB all together. though that may have climbed with me recording some test in ggnfs. and it already helped me set up my printer , my sister who I told off helped me set it up after I apoligized because of the stress of what felt like 20 near accidents going to my father's and back and dealing with him.

Dubslow · 2011-12-27, 23:09

well i don't know about the rest, but that i3 seems like around 1/2 of a 2500 or 2600, so not too bad overall.

science_man_88 · 2011-12-27, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Dubslow

well i don't know about the rest, but that i3 seems like around 1/2 of a 2500 or 2600, so not too bad overall.

it's a 3.4 GHz processor the highest I've ever seen.

Dubslow · 2011-12-28, 00:19

Take a 2600, take out half the cores, and then give it the per-core L3 cache of a 2500 (1.5 MB as opposed to 2 MB) and you get this. Clock speed and hyperthreading are otherwise identical to 2600.

science_man_88 · 2011-12-28, 00:23

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Originally Posted by Dubslow

Take a 2600, take out half the cores, and then give it the per-core L3 cache of a 2500 (1.5 MB as opposed to 2 MB) and you get this. Clock speed and hyperthreading are otherwise identical to 2600.

my lowest windows experience score now is 5.2 I wasn't even a 3 before.

axn · 2011-12-28, 02:55

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Originally Posted by science_man_88

my family told me not to go near the top of the line.

Sigh! I take it that, your family didn't _specifically_ tell not to go for the i7 2600?

The advice of "don't go for top of the line" is given because, typically, there is a _big_ price difference between the top-of-the-line and a middle-of-the-road one, with only a few % of extra performance. Typically.

But in this case, there would be a nearly 2x performance difference for very little price difference. It is a no-contest -- the i7 wins hands down.

Le sigh! If it is not too late (it probably is), give the i3 back and get the i7.

patrik · 2011-12-28, 10:11

In august I bought a Core i5 2500K, and I still think it is the best tradeoff between speed and price. For Prime95 there is no need to go to the hyper-threaded i7 (since hyperthreading often doesn't do much for Prime95).

science_man_88 · 2011-12-28, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by axn

Sigh! I take it that, your family didn't _specifically_ tell not to go for the i7 2600?

The advice of "don't go for top of the line" is given because, typically, there is a _big_ price difference between the top-of-the-line and a middle-of-the-road one, with only a few % of extra performance. Typically.

But in this case, there would be a nearly 2x performance difference for very little price difference. It is a no-contest -- the i7 wins hands down.

Le sigh! If it is not too late (it probably is), give the i3 back and get the i7.

I'm fine with it just got Pari to with maximum memory print all primes under 1 million in 624 ms and I think I'll still have room with 8 GB of ram even if I use the maximum for everything.

SaneMur · 2011-12-28, 19:07

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Originally Posted by patrik

In august I bought a Core i5 2500K, and I still think it is the best tradeoff between speed and price. For Prime95 there is no need to go to the hyper-threaded i7 (since hyperthreading often doesn't do much for Prime95).

The i5-2500K overclocks very well. I had two of them at 5.0 Ghz and 5.1 Ghz respectively, using just a megashadow air cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835242004

The i7-2600K gives off a great deal more heat, mostly because hyperthreading really makes the CPU work so much harder. You need at least a dual-radiator system to get at or near 5.0 Ghz with the i7-2600K (if you intend to use all 8 hyperthreads at this speed.)

The i7-2700K is the best of both worlds. It has a lower heat profile than the 2600K yet it also has hyperthreading. The architecture is also improved, and a 5.0 GHz i7-2700K performs better than a 5.25 GHz i7-980x chip.

Dubslow · 2011-12-28, 23:49

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Originally Posted by SaneMur

The i5-2500K overclocks very well. I had two of them at 5.0 Ghz and 5.1 Ghz respectively, using just a megashadow air cooler.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835242004

The i7-2600K gives off a great deal more heat, mostly because hyperthreading really makes the CPU work so much harder. You need at least a dual-radiator system to get at or near 5.0 Ghz with the i7-2600K (if you intend to use all 8 hyperthreads at this speed.)

The i7-2700K is the best of both worlds. It has a lower heat profile than the 2600K yet it also has hyperthreading. The architecture is also improved, and a 5.0 GHz i7-2700K performs better than a 5.25 GHz i7-980x chip.

Yikes that thing is massive. No way it would fit in my case.

How does the 2700 produce less heat? And why would HT make so much more heat? It's only around 5% transistor duplication, I remember reading...

fivemack · 2011-12-29, 09:08

HT is a way of keeping bits of the processor from idling because the instruction stream doesn't have enough work for them; so it makes significantly more use of the transistors and thus you get significantly more power used.

I don't think that the 2700K differs from the 2600K architecturally - it's the same D2 stepping of the chip.

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2011-12-27, 23:09	#101
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 3·29·83 Posts	well i don't know about the rest, but that i3 seems like around 1/2 of a 2500 or 2600, so not too bad overall.

2011-12-28, 00:19	#103
Dubslow Basketry That Evening! "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40<A<43 -89<O<-88 1C35₁₆ Posts	Take a 2600, take out half the cores, and then give it the per-core L3 cache of a 2500 (1.5 MB as opposed to 2 MB) and you get this. Clock speed and hyperthreading are otherwise identical to 2600.

2011-12-28, 10:11	#106
patrik "Patrik Johansson" Aug 2002 Uppsala, Sweden 5²×17 Posts	In august I bought a Core i5 2500K, and I still think it is the best tradeoff between speed and price. For Prime95 there is no need to go to the hyper-threaded i7 (since hyperthreading often doesn't do much for Prime95).

2011-12-29, 09:08	#110
fivemack (loop (#_fork)) Feb 2006 Cambridge, England 1918₁₆ Posts	HT is a way of keeping bits of the processor from idling because the instruction stream doesn't have enough work for them; so it makes significantly more use of the transistors and thus you get significantly more power used. I don't think that the 2700K differs from the 2600K architecturally - it's the same D2 stepping of the chip.