Which of these CPUs is most productive? - Page 6

KingKurly · 2011-01-19, 03:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christenson

Is a DVD reader on the far side of the USB port going to be enough to load Windows, or do I need to get a DVD drive on the PATA or SATA socket on these motherboards? Do they do USB flash drive boots?

The DVD reader attached via USB should be okay. A DVD drive on PATA/SATA would work also, but shouldn't be strictly necessary. And a USB flash drive should work too!

sdbardwick · 2011-01-19, 05:03

I own a 1090T, and I won't be purchasing another 6 core AMD. The performance (and especially performance/watt) of Sandy Bridge is more compelling.
Now if AMD produces 8 core Phenom IIs at 1090T prices, I will need to rethink my position.
For some data, I did a Google Docs spreadsheet a while back.

Rodrigo · 2011-01-19, 07:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdettweiler

Come to think of it, I did something similar when I upgraded a laptop from 98 to 2000 a while back. It worked, but I ended up with a weird same-partion dual-boot setup.

mdettweiler,
I meant to say before that this was a very, umm... unexpected outcome!

Rodrigo

mdettweiler · 2011-01-19, 07:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodrigo

mdettweiler,
I meant to say before that this was a very, umm... unexpected outcome!

Rodrigo

Hmm...now that I think about it, I believe it gave me the choice of whether to keep the existing Windows install (thus creating a dual-boot setup) or replace it. I chose to keep it because I was a little curious how it would turn out.

(In the end, I'm glad I did, since the computer really had too little RAM to run Windows 2000 very well, so I ended up going back to 98 much of the time because it at least wasn't constantly crawling along while it thrashed the hard disk trying to frantically move stuff in and out of the pagefile.) Anyway, indeed, you're right, this is not normally the way it would turn out.

Christenson · 2011-01-19, 22:44

Now the case that was suggested has, like most electronic components, gone out of stock...possibly permanently.
Why would I want the PFC "green" power supply over a case with a standard power supply already inside at 450W?

lavalamp · 2011-01-19, 23:20

Because you want a good power supply. If you buy a cheap case+PSU combo, they'll both have been made for absolute peanuts.

Such PSUs are liable to be noisier, supply dirty power*, fail sooner and/or cause other components to fail prematurely or when the PSU fails (ie: it'll take them with it).

*By dirty power, I mean things such as:

more AC ripple in the voltages, you want as flat and as steady a voltage as possible
more prone to swings in voltage when the load changes
further away from the desired voltages (12V, 5V, 3.3V).

The ATX specification allows for 5% deviation in 12, 5 and 3.3 V lines, and these are where almost the entire load of the PC hangs from. Good PSUs will deliver voltages that are pretty much bang on, even under varying loads and at high temperatures, lesser PSUs may not.

Every component in your case depends on the power from the PSU, which is why it's important to choose a solid brand.

If the case happens to have a good PSU in, then there's no problem, but the vast majority of bundled PSUs are absolutely pants.

Rodrigo · 2011-01-20, 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by lavalamp

By dirty power, I mean things such as:

more AC ripple in the voltages, you want as flat and as steady a voltage as possible
more prone to swings in voltage when the load changes
further away from the desired voltages (12V, 5V, 3.3V).

The ATX specification allows for 5% deviation in 12, 5 and 3.3 V lines, and these are where almost the entire load of the PC hangs from. Good PSUs will deliver voltages that are pretty much bang on, even under varying loads and at high temperatures, lesser PSUs may not.

lavalamp,

I don' thave much experience (all right, none) putting together a system. Suppose that I were going to. In that case, is there a way to research this voltage variability issue for a particular PSU model that one might be considering, or is it better to go by the brand?

Rodrigo

lavalamp · 2011-01-20, 01:49

I tend to just go by brand, Seasonic, Enermax, Tagan, and a few others.

However, before buying a particular PSU (or any component really), I do google around for reviews. Try and find an actually useful review if you can, this article explains what a non-useful review is:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410

The same site has a list of power related articles, many of them reviews:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power

Honestly I wouldn't sweat it too much though, if you stick to the name brands you should be fine. The standard of PSUs has GREATLY improved since about 2005/6 when Tom's Hardware did some full load 24/7 PSU stress tests and several of them died.

Rodrigo · 2011-01-20, 04:49

Thanks for the tips, lavalamp.

BTW, fantastic website you pointed me to -- I've added it to my Favorites!

Rodrigo

Christenson · 2011-01-20, 06:27

Lava, thanks...

Went ahead and ordered a case with a fan, the good PSU, and the 6-core Phenom II, motherboard, memory, heatsink is on the way, with some additional parts....heat sink grease (though I have the plain stuff and the x2 stuff at work), screen (biggest $$), and network parts.

Left out the Windows disk...I'm going to see if I can make this box live under Ubuntu; the boot CD just popped out of the burner. You will know I've succeeded when my ECM rank starts improving dramatically.

Decided to buy two of the cheap HDs, one for later or if the first one is DOA. I may get that second box yet...

P.S. Newegg policy is to only accept "non-useful" reviews...see the notes in terms of service about direct comparisons to competitors....

lavalamp · 2011-01-20, 10:49

Alright, should be a fun time this weekend assembling it all.

Take some pictures! Those parts will never be that shiny again.

2011-01-19, 05:03	#57
sdbardwick Aug 2002 North San Diego County 5×137 Posts	I own a 1090T, and I won't be purchasing another 6 core AMD. The performance (and especially performance/watt) of Sandy Bridge is more compelling. Now if AMD produces 8 core Phenom IIs at 1090T prices, I will need to rethink my position. For some data, I did a Google Docs spreadsheet a while back. Last fiddled with by sdbardwick on 2011-01-19 at 05:04

2011-01-19, 23:20	#61
lavalamp Oct 2007 Manchester, UK 2²×3×113 Posts	Because you want a good power supply. If you buy a cheap case+PSU combo, they'll both have been made for absolute peanuts. Such PSUs are liable to be noisier, supply dirty power, fail sooner and/or cause other components to fail prematurely or when the PSU fails (ie: it'll take them with it). By dirty power, I mean things such as: more AC ripple in the voltages, you want as flat and as steady a voltage as possible more prone to swings in voltage when the load changes further away from the desired voltages (12V, 5V, 3.3V). The ATX specification allows for 5% deviation in 12, 5 and 3.3 V lines, and these are where almost the entire load of the PC hangs from. Good PSUs will deliver voltages that are pretty much bang on, even under varying loads and at high temperatures, lesser PSUs may not. Every component in your case depends on the power from the PSU, which is why it's important to choose a solid brand. If the case happens to have a good PSU in, then there's no problem, but the vast majority of bundled PSUs are absolutely pants. Last fiddled with by lavalamp on 2011-01-19 at 23:22

2011-01-20, 06:27	#65
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 1795₁₀ Posts	Lava, thanks... Went ahead and ordered a case with a fan, the good PSU, and the 6-core Phenom II, motherboard, memory, heatsink is on the way, with some additional parts....heat sink grease (though I have the plain stuff and the x2 stuff at work), screen (biggest $$), and network parts. Left out the Windows disk...I'm going to see if I can make this box live under Ubuntu; the boot CD just popped out of the burner. You will know I've succeeded when my ECM rank starts improving dramatically. Decided to buy two of the cheap HDs, one for later or if the first one is DOA. I may get that second box yet... P.S. Newegg policy is to only accept "non-useful" reviews...see the notes in terms of service about direct comparisons to competitors.... Last fiddled with by Christenson on 2011-01-20 at 06:28

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2011-01-19, 22:44	#60
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 5·359 Posts	Now the case that was suggested has, like most electronic components, gone out of stock...possibly permanently. Why would I want the PFC "green" power supply over a case with a standard power supply already inside at 450W?

2011-01-20, 01:49	#63
lavalamp Oct 2007 Manchester, UK 10101001100₂ Posts	I tend to just go by brand, Seasonic, Enermax, Tagan, and a few others. However, before buying a particular PSU (or any component really), I do google around for reviews. Try and find an actually useful review if you can, this article explains what a non-useful review is: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410 The same site has a list of power related articles, many of them reviews: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/page/power Honestly I wouldn't sweat it too much though, if you stick to the name brands you should be fine. The standard of PSUs has GREATLY improved since about 2005/6 when Tom's Hardware did some full load 24/7 PSU stress tests and several of them died.

2011-01-20, 04:49	#64
Rodrigo Jun 2010 Pennsylvania 2·467 Posts	Thanks for the tips, lavalamp. BTW, fantastic website you pointed me to -- I've added it to my Favorites! Rodrigo

2011-01-20, 10:49	#66
lavalamp Oct 2007 Manchester, UK 2²·3·113 Posts	Alright, should be a fun time this weekend assembling it all. Take some pictures! Those parts will never be that shiny again.