Which of these CPUs is most productive? - Page 10

Christenson · 2011-02-01, 01:17

ASrock tech support agrees....it's RMA time!!!! (And I'm about to break 100GHz days of ECM computing...raising up my rank nicely...now, if that 85% complete 3rd LL-D test will please hurry up....grin)

Christenson · 2011-02-01, 04:00

I'd fiddle with the last message some more, but I can't find the edit button anymore! Have RMA number, ordered replacement (the beast was in stock) and spare, $40 CPU in case it's actually the CPU that's Kerfunkt...if it isn't, I've got a single core AM3 CPU for sale in a week or so unless I can convince newegg to take an unopened box back.

*** now I'm really in a pickle...removed the CPU from the Motherboard, pin 997 on the CPU got bent somehow, and I need a *really* good pair of tweezers to grab it and straighten it. How exactly do you remove those heatsinks without pulling the CPU out of the latched ZIF? ****

Christenson · 2011-02-01, 05:12

Aha..there's a 60 minute deadline for editing....got some joy, used two pairs of reading glasses, a razor blade tip, and an ezhook to straighten out pin 997, still had to wiggle into the ZIF, but I'm getting beeped at now....need to see if I can cancel the newegg order...

Christenson · 2011-02-01, 06:06

got VGA, USB boot, BIOS setup, and Ubuntu AMD64 install CD going....running memtests, but must bed down for the night. Newegg hadn't moved more than bits, so my order cancelled fine, so I won't have an extra CPU and Mobo...maybe a 4-core Sandy Bridge system instead, so I can run up more GHz days..

Rodrigo · 2011-02-01, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christenson

*** now I'm really in a pickle...removed the CPU from the Motherboard, pin 997 on the CPU got bent somehow, and I need a *really* good pair of tweezers to grab it and straighten it. How exactly do you remove those heatsinks without pulling the CPU out of the latched ZIF? ****

Whoa, I didn't think that could happen!

I've been thinking about upgrading my CPU (that's what got this thread started

), but not if the act of removing the heatsink is going to mess up my existing CPU. If the new one then doesn't work, I end up worse off than before I started.

Glad to hear, though, that you managed to fix yours. I'm not sure I'd be able to do the same.

Rodrigo

Christenson · 2011-02-01, 17:50

I don't think it was removing the heatsink that did it...I think that because the CPU wasn't all the way in the ZIF, the suction from the heatsink paste was able to remove the chip. My thinking: Hold the heatsink down while you pry off or put on the spring-loaded latching hardware. If the CPU pops out, don't put the heatsink down until you have the heatskink free. It will pry up with a razor blade or slide sideways afterwards. For bent pins, you need a pair or two of cheap reading glasses (I've celebrated a few 39th birthdays), a small needle-nose pliers, an ezhook, or tweezers. Good light doesn't hurt. You inspect the pins by sighting down the rows and columns against a dark background.
I'm hoping mdettweiler or lavalamp can give me help with the mechanicals on the AM3 socket, as I'm expecting to find I need more than the stock cooler when I actually get ubuntu and Prime95 running, probably in two days or so (there's complications in my personal life).

xilman · 2011-02-01, 17:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christenson

For bent pins, you need a pair or two of cheap reading glasses (I've celebrated a few 39th birthdays), a small needle-nose pliers, an ezhook, or tweezers. Good light doesn't hurt. You inspect the pins by sighting down the rows and columns against a dark background.

I once had to straighten out a Socket 939 processor. On that occasion, a couple of piece of metal sheet just slightly thinner than the desired inter-pin separation turned out to be extremely useful. Slide them down along adjacent gaps and it's possible then to adjust an entire row at once and to spot individual pins that have come out of true.

Paul

mdettweiler · 2011-02-01, 19:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christenson

I'm hoping mdettweiler or lavalamp can give me help with the mechanicals on the AM3 socket, as I'm expecting to find I need more than the stock cooler when I actually get ubuntu and Prime95 running, probably in two days or so (there's complications in my personal life).

You should be OK with the stock cooler if you don't plan to overclock. The stock cooler is designed to be able to handle full load at stock speed--just not much over that.

lavalamp · 2011-02-01, 20:25

Again, the CPU should absolutely NOT come out of the socket EVER when the lever is down. No matter if it is being pulled by a heatsink or a stampeding elephant. The fact that it has done it twice really suggests to me that it wasn't in properly.

The lever must be completely up, then the CPU pushed completely in (with the correct orientation), then the lever must be completely down, no matter how hard it gets to push down, it must go down all the way.

If the CPU was in the socket properly then it sounds like the motherboard has a pretty weak grip, but it's not a problem I've heard about before.

To avoid the heatsink pulling the CPU out in future, try twisting off, rather than straight pulling.

With regards to pin bending, I once had to bend pins back on an old AMD Athlon 2500+. I got it dirt cheap from ebay, sold as "potentially faulty". Literally half the pins had been flattened to the CPU, and all in different directions! I can't see how that would have happened except on purpose. Regardless, with some time and a knife I bent them all back individually and it worked, in fact it still works. This was a socket 462 CPU, so there were less pins and they could make them chunkier, so they were less likely to snap and easier to get back into place.

Christenson · 2011-02-03, 06:16

(Posted from Eric-AMD-6-core) The new machine is up, on the internet, and partially loaded with software, though itś still having an out-of-case experence. Itś running prime95 and the CPU is warming up my hands, under xubuntu 10.10. However, itś a bit different than under Windows, so i need some help -- how do I find out what it´s doing, tell it to use my primenet account, and set it up to do the kinds of jobs I want it to do? [and if I edit the config files, how do i ensure it understands what I told it?]

KingKurly · 2011-02-03, 06:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christenson

(Posted from Eric-AMD-6-core) The new machine is up, on the internet, and partially loaded with software, though itś still having an out-of-case experence. Itś running prime95 and the CPU is warming up my hands, under xubuntu 10.10. However, itś a bit different than under Windows, so i need some help -- how do I find out what it´s doing, tell it to use my primenet account, and set it up to do the kinds of jobs I want it to do? [and if I edit the config files, how do i ensure it understands what I told it?]

Run: ./mprime -h

If that doesn't answer your questions, report back for further suggestions.

2011-02-01, 01:17	#100
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 5·359 Posts	ASrock tech support agrees....it's RMA time!!!! (And I'm about to break 100GHz days of ECM computing...raising up my rank nicely...now, if that 85% complete 3rd LL-D test will please hurry up....grin) Last fiddled with by Christenson on 2011-02-01 at 01:18

2011-02-01, 04:00	#101
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 5·359 Posts	I'd fiddle with the last message some more, but I can't find the edit button anymore! Have RMA number, ordered replacement (the beast was in stock) and spare, $40 CPU in case it's actually the CPU that's Kerfunkt...if it isn't, I've got a single core AM3 CPU for sale in a week or so unless I can convince newegg to take an unopened box back. *** now I'm really in a pickle...removed the CPU from the Motherboard, pin 997 on the CPU got bent somehow, and I need a really good pair of tweezers to grab it and straighten it. How exactly do you remove those heatsinks without pulling the CPU out of the latched ZIF? **** Last fiddled with by Christenson on 2011-02-01 at 04:38 Reason: update...more info, need help

2011-02-01, 20:25	#108
lavalamp Oct 2007 Manchester, UK 54C₁₆ Posts	Again, the CPU should absolutely NOT come out of the socket EVER when the lever is down. No matter if it is being pulled by a heatsink or a stampeding elephant. The fact that it has done it twice really suggests to me that it wasn't in properly. The lever must be completely up, then the CPU pushed completely in (with the correct orientation), then the lever must be completely down, no matter how hard it gets to push down, it must go down all the way. If the CPU was in the socket properly then it sounds like the motherboard has a pretty weak grip, but it's not a problem I've heard about before. To avoid the heatsink pulling the CPU out in future, try twisting off, rather than straight pulling. With regards to pin bending, I once had to bend pins back on an old AMD Athlon 2500+. I got it dirt cheap from ebay, sold as "potentially faulty". Literally half the pins had been flattened to the CPU, and all in different directions! I can't see how that would have happened except on purpose. Regardless, with some time and a knife I bent them all back individually and it worked, in fact it still works. This was a socket 462 CPU, so there were less pins and they could make them chunkier, so they were less likely to snap and easier to get back into place. Last fiddled with by lavalamp on 2011-02-01 at 20:25

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2011-02-01, 05:12	#102
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 5×359 Posts	Aha..there's a 60 minute deadline for editing....got some joy, used two pairs of reading glasses, a razor blade tip, and an ezhook to straighten out pin 997, still had to wiggle into the ZIF, but I'm getting beeped at now....need to see if I can cancel the newegg order...

2011-02-01, 06:06	#103
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 703₁₆ Posts	got VGA, USB boot, BIOS setup, and Ubuntu AMD64 install CD going....running memtests, but must bed down for the night. Newegg hadn't moved more than bits, so my order cancelled fine, so I won't have an extra CPU and Mobo...maybe a 4-core Sandy Bridge system instead, so I can run up more GHz days..

2011-02-01, 17:50	#105
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 11100000011₂ Posts	I don't think it was removing the heatsink that did it...I think that because the CPU wasn't all the way in the ZIF, the suction from the heatsink paste was able to remove the chip. My thinking: Hold the heatsink down while you pry off or put on the spring-loaded latching hardware. If the CPU pops out, don't put the heatsink down until you have the heatskink free. It will pry up with a razor blade or slide sideways afterwards. For bent pins, you need a pair or two of cheap reading glasses (I've celebrated a few 39th birthdays), a small needle-nose pliers, an ezhook, or tweezers. Good light doesn't hurt. You inspect the pins by sighting down the rows and columns against a dark background. I'm hoping mdettweiler or lavalamp can give me help with the mechanicals on the AM3 socket, as I'm expecting to find I need more than the stock cooler when I actually get ubuntu and Prime95 running, probably in two days or so (there's complications in my personal life).

2011-02-03, 06:16	#109
Christenson Dec 2010 Monticello 1795₁₀ Posts	(Posted from Eric-AMD-6-core) The new machine is up, on the internet, and partially loaded with software, though itś still having an out-of-case experence. Itś running prime95 and the CPU is warming up my hands, under xubuntu 10.10. However, itś a bit different than under Windows, so i need some help -- how do I find out what it´s doing, tell it to use my primenet account, and set it up to do the kinds of jobs I want it to do? [and if I edit the config files, how do i ensure it understands what I told it?]