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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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Sadly, this is the state I live in. The county was in a bind, federal regulations forced them to upgrade the sewer system. Through a series of stupid decisions, they wound up with over $3 Billion owed to NY financial firms. That far exceeds the revenue potential from the water system. They finally did the only thing that is viable by declaring bankruptcy. This dwarfs all previous U.S. government filings. It is perhaps just a harbinger of things to come. DarJones Last fiddled with by Fusion_power on 2011-11-10 at 01:34 |
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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Hey Dar, a couple of questions for you:
Your county has a $3 billion dollar sewer system. Did they get anywhere near that amount of resources for it? What *should* the required physical system have cost? What kind of water rates are they charging? |
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"Gang aft agley"
Sep 2002
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I don't have the rates but do have the the rate increases planned in pre-bankruptcy September: Jefferson County OKs terms for sewer debt settlement 4-1, averting bankruptcy for now Quote:
Last fiddled with by only_human on 2011-11-10 at 06:10 Reason: changed red to underline |
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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With a maximum of two choices on the ballot for most offices in my county, it's very tough to elect the "right kind of person"as it were...the reform needs to go to the election system itself. (Vermont has taken some excellent steps in that direction, but I'm in VA!)
Wonder what the bankruptcy court is going to do with these bonds? And speaking of water rates, percentages are a way to lie with statistics...for most of us, doubling a $30 monthly water bill isn't even going to equal the variance in other kinds of bills we pay... |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Funny how the (former) local officials who took the bribes are being prosecuted, but not one of the banksters who actually offered the bribes has even been indicted, much less prosecuted. Oh wait, we know by now that actually holding a major-bank -crook to account will inevitably cause collapse of the globale economy. Carry on then, all you doers of God's work.
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Dec 2010
Monticello
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I've read the story of these local officials before...not in Birmingham, but in a small town on the Georgia coast, in connection with drugs instead of sewers...I'll try to find the book when I get home. I hope some bankers both go unpaid and end up in jail here.
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"Gang aft agley"
Sep 2002
2·1,877 Posts |
Bankers are a bit like lawyers - easy to despise, but sometimes you really need one.
Good or bad, I don't know. Case in point: Reading from Villaraigosa wants to borrow future tax money to fix L.A. streets Measure R in Los Angeles is an existing 1/2 cent sales tax measure that over three decades is intended to supply about 2 billion dollars of revenue for transportation projects. The Los Angeles Mayor wants to spend $800 million over 18 months borrowed against the $1.4 Billion over 27 years of Measure R revenue (borrowing cost $600 million). Another $600 million of the original $2 billion revenue as yet untouched (unspent). Last fiddled with by only_human on 2011-11-11 at 04:09 Reason: rephrased to be clearer about amounts |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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So the question now is:
Is BANKRUPTCY for Birmingham a good thing? Keep in mind the major arguments on this board over bailouts for the banks. This time the state of Alabama did NOT bail out the city. What is the likely outcome of the bankruptcy? The first outcome is that there will be a reduction in the payback on the sewer bonds that were marred by corruption and sweetheart deals. The city will continue to provide goods and services using current tax revenues. Where things get dicey is the lost revenue from the Occupational Tax that was ruled unconstitutional by the state supreme court. The first such tax was passed back in 1986 when I had just recently moved to the area as part of my job with Nortel. There were various challenges to the tax over the next 20 years eventually resulting in the supreme court strike down. The problem is that Jefferson County had several years with access to about $70 million per year (adjust for inflation of course) which was used to pay for services. So when the sewer imbroglio hit, the county got a double whammy. The best I can see, there will be loud screaming for more tax revenue in a county that already has some of the highest taxes in the state. There will be equally loud screaming from residents who don't want any more taxes. The bankruptcy judge cannot force new taxes. So at some point in the near future a tax referendum will be held which will be soundly voted down. End result will be a county already stretched to the breaking point cutting services wherever it can. DarJones |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Mish describes the latest we-can-fix-it fad among Europe's political leadership, the installment of economists/international-bankers (both professions which did themselves very proud in the runup to and playing-out of the 2008 global financial crisis - not!) to head various indebted sovereigns and presumably use "the miracle of leverage and Keynesian money-printing" to quickly fix a problem 30 or more years in the making as "Rise of the 'Borg' Technocrats". His latest blog post describes the short-term market euphoria resulting from Borg technocrats taking the helm in Greece and Italy:
Whack-a-Mole Euphoria; Reflections on 6-Sigma Events Quote:
The 'Technocrats' Are Coming Quote:
The Armistice Day (here in the US it's since been generalized to Veterans Day) commemoration at Cupertino Memorial park near where I live just concluded. In addition to dozens of veterans of various ages there were also sizable contingents of local police and firefighters. The latter had parked 2 large ladder trucks back-to-back with their ends about 10 yards apart, ladders raised and angled so the tips just met, in a firetruck version of the military crossed-swords salute. Nice touch. "At the eleventh hour of the eleventh day in the eleventh month of 1918, the guns fell silent." Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2011-11-11 at 19:44 |
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Mar 2010
3008 Posts |
European Union is very far away from what it was supposed to be. The assumption was that it was governed by member state different each year. Still it is so, only that now it is a fiction. For example, this year Poland had a leadership. During this period there was not a single decision made by UE leaders. On the contrary, German Parliament voted few issues closely related to UE. They should be voted in Parliament of UE. Solution of the problem of Greece should be considered in the UE Parliament. But all initiatives come from only one country - Germany. UE Parliament became a meaningless institution. Members of this Parliament fly to Brussel early in the morning, they sign a list to get money and rush to airports to be in theirs native countries afternoon. It is not stupid, because there is not anything that they can do in Brussel.
Europe is divided into territories of influence. For example, Germany did not do anything with respect to Ireland, British don't do anything corresponding to Greece. It is not clear where the territory of France is. Probably Spain and Portugal, but it will appear later. Humiliated Italy did not get any provinces, but probably they will fight back. |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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So are you saying Europe has devolved into fiefdoms?
From what I can see, you appear to have a point that there is not much to be done in Brussels. That appears to be more of a problem with the EU charter than anything else. There are no "rules" for bailing out ailing economies. Greece got to this impasse by wasteful overspending. What do you expect Germany to do? Write a blank check? The entire EU could hold a very telling conversation about how to deal with economies in a tailspin. The Euro as common currency virtually guarantees that some nations will fall into economic chaos and there must be a regulatory framework to deal with them. Kicking the red headed step children out of the EU is not exactly the right solution. Maybe Greece needs to hold a "nation sale". Large country for sale, beautiful location, historic buildings, lots of tourism, wonderful people. Purchaser must assume all existing liabilities such as "entitlement people" and tax evaders as well as all debts. There will be no bidders as things stand today. DarJones Last fiddled with by Fusion_power on 2011-11-12 at 16:32 |
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