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Sep 2002
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I am pleased to open the 2011 installment of the 2010, the 2009 and the 2008 "All Things Economic" threads.
The 2010 thread ended up with over 800 posts and over 18,000 views - thanks to all who contributed to the discussion. (Note that the 2009 installment ended with over 900 posts and over 22,000 views - not sure if the decrease is a result of deflation, "recession fatigue" or less diligence on my part as thread-spammer-iin-chief.) I have no particular Top-10 list of predictions to share for 2011 ... Mish's list (which I linked to and commented on near the end of the 2010 thread) is pretty close to mine, and I am highly confident of 3 main things: 1. Governments and central banks in major debt-wracked countries will continue doing everything in their power (and quite a few things outside it) to protect the global banking and financial cabal. In the U.S., I expect in particular to see an attempt to retroactively legalize (or forgive on exceedingly lenient terms) the colossal fraud now coming to light which permeated the entire mortgage-involved financial food chain during the housing bubble, from home appraisals to mortgage processing to securitization and now to foreclosure. This could get very interesting, though, because many of the pension and investment funds which ended up buying the toxic result of the process have deep pockets and are lawyering up in a big way. 2. The U.S. government will continue to try to work the structural economic problems facing the nation from the completely wrong end, that is, continuing to stimulate consumer overconsumption, that is, trying to borrow and spend the nation out of a deep economic hole caused by too much borrowing and spending. 3. The mainstream media will continue furiously pumping the" everything's coming up roses" meme - collective bullishness and the amount of self-congratulatory back-slapping at the end of 2010 are both at highs not seen since 2007 - and very, very few of the mainstream media and economic pundits will seriously address the central issue of: "If there is not the earnings power to sustain it, how can it be sustained?" But I suspect behind the scenes in the circles of power an increasing number of people will be asking "if this is a recovery, where are the jobs?" and perhaps wonder whether the fact that the "jobless recovery" phenomenon has gotten progressively worse coming out of each of the past 3 recessions. At the same time, the manipulation of official government data in order to present a rosy illusion will reach ridiculous extremes - for example, the very last weekly jobless claims numbers of 2010 "looked great" as they dropped below 400,000, but that number included a whopping "seasonal adjustment" which reduced the actual claims by 150,000, with no credible explanation why the SA was so much larger than both for the previous week and for the same week of the previous year. (The non-SA claims number in fact deteriorated, but that number was lost in the glare of the manipulated "headline" number.) ------------------------------------------- I would be remiss if I failed to score my predictions for 2010: Here they are (in italics), with my comments interspersed: MAJOR PREDICTIONS: - In the U.S., the bailed-out GSEs (along with FHA, "the new Countrywide Financial") and automakers will continue to bleed (GM and Chrysler seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of the "sell fewer cars, each at a hefty loss!" business model), commercial real estate will finally run out of Ponzi-debt-rollover options and blow sky high, multiple states will similarly blow budget gaskets and go crying to DC for bailouts, and official unemployment will stubbornly remain at or around 10% while real unemployment continues to creep steadily toward 20%. Once the market bulls who have deluded themselves into believing that one can have a robust V-shaped recovery in the presence of massive unemployment, unprecedented household and federal debt levels and a generational retrenchment of consumers from credit-overdose to reality-is-frugality mode, the markets will once again threaten to retest the March 2009 lows and yet another desperation "Stimulus 2: Now Even Bigger and More Wasteful" government-giveaway will get announced. Republicans will jump all over this with cries of "Obamanomics has failed", while Democrats will cry that "We didn't cause the bad economy, we're simply trying our best to make it worse". Automakers were mixed - Ford did pretty well and GM had a successful IPO, though whether it is really selling cars or booking deliveries to dealers as "sales" will only become clear after several more quarters. CRE limped along for another year but no major blowups. States - led by Illinois and California - are indeed in dire straits, but avoided blowup so far via a combination of accounting tricks, backdoor bailouts from the government (CA borrowing over $10 billion from the feds to pay unemployment benefits, for example), jacking up of taxes and fees, cutbacks in services, and to a much-lesser extent, cutbacks in headcount and public-employee compensation. - Even though the U.S.'s economic woes are a thoroughly bipartisan issue, during the Fall 2010 elections frustrated voters will punish the party in power. Just-voted-out democrats will engage in a woeful chorus of "but we inherited all these problems from Bad Bush!" Spot-on with that one. - In the European (dis)Union, multiple governments will suffer debt crises. Rumors of sovereign default will spread, as the countries with the most-dire balance sheets (e.g. Greece, Dubai, Spain, Ireland, one or more of the Baltics, Mexico, maybe even Japan) and limited ability to cram below-market-interest-rate debt down the throats of codependent borrowers - a privilege the U.S. currently is abusing to the fullest - run out of "extend and pretend" options. Whether any of these turn into outright defaults or whether the rest of the world cobbles together huge bailout packages (funded by - ta da! - more debt issuance by the bailer-outers) remains to be seen. "We simply cannot allow [X] to fail" will again become a vogue phrase. Another hit - Greece and Ireland bailed out, credit issues spreading to larger countries like Portugal and Spain, so far "huge bailout packages" coupled with forced (and in the case of Greece, faux) austerity were the attempted solution. - The U.S. Fed will continue to shock and awe with its never-ending bag of tricks for backdoor bailouts of the banks and monetization of the skyrocketing balance-sheet debt. However, increasingly-skeptical pundits and lawmakers will call bullshit on the flagrant monetization. Despite the best efforts of numerous Bank-owned lawmakers and Fed-owned economists, "Audit the Fed" will become a very imminent threat, at which point the banksters, knowing that their free-money punch bowl is about to get taken away, will panic and financial shares will sell off big-time. Bingo on the never-ending bag of tricks (QE2), some progress on the "audit the Fed" front, but no sign yet of the punch bowl seriously being under threat. WILDCARDS: - The banks, which still have trillions in off-balance-sheet garbage they have not been able to offload at par onto Uncle Stupid, and which will find it hard to continue issuing new play-money shares at government-market-pump-inflated prices. Gradual withdrawal of free-play-money liquidity by various central banks (the U.S. will be among the last of these) will expose much remaining weakness in the banking sector. Clear miss on the withdrawal-of-liquidity prediction. - The bond markets: The U.S. needs to issue a record amount of debt next year to keep its Ponzified economy lubricated. If the Fed starts losing control of long-bond (and the closely correlated mortgage) rates, the "housing recovery" and all the associated feel-goodiness will come to a screeching halt. This one is still a bit too early to tell - interestingly, after hitting record lows in advance of Bernanke's QE2 announcement, long-bond and mortgage rates have indeed climbed relentlessly. Keep your eyes on this one. - Emerging markets: The biggest of these, China, only kept its export-dependent economy from outright implosion this year by way of a free-money bonanza well in excess of 10% of GDP. As a result, China equity and property markets are once again in bubble mode, as exports remain very weak, albeit better than the catastrophic levels of early this year. But inflating a second credit bubble to help allay the effects of the bursting of the first one is just silly. - China has helped keep prices of oil and other commodities artificially high via massive stockpiling - you can't really blame them, because they really need to offload as much of their US$ holdings as they can, and buying commodities is one of the few ways for them to do so which provides guaranteed value. (They seem intent not to repeat the late-1980s Japanese mistake of using their surplus dollars to buy massively-overpriced U.S. commercial real estate). But there is simply no economic justification for $80 oil at present. On the other hand... China bubble still intact. Interestingly, inflation rearing its ugly head there. - If Israel decides that it has had enough of nice-sounding but completely useless Obama-and -Eurodiplomat-talk regarding Iran's nuclear program, oil prices could skyrocket. This would of course put the kibosh on any remaining "nascent U.S. economic recovery" talk. This remains an active wildcard, and is joined by the Korean peninsula as an at-least-as-great powderkeg threat. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2011-01-01 at 06:28 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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How about Krugman's prediction?
"The New Voodoo" http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/31/op...me&ref=general (with my underlining) Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Krugman's relentless advocacy that deficits caused by misguided stimulus spending don't matter is just as ludicrous as the tax-cut-related magical thinking for which he derides the GOP's Kyl.
But Krugman's budget numbers are a good starting point for a bit of basic arithmetic neither party has had the stomach to engage in, at least publicly: That is that of the $3.6 trillion (it looks better if you write it out as $3,600,000,000,000) federal budget, nearly $1.6 trillion last year, or close to 50%, was borrowed. (The government's lower official figure does not include borrowings from social security and Medicare "trust funds"). Cutting *all* discretionary spending in its entirety would not come close to covering the shortfall. So while the details of the partisan wrangling in the coming months will lead to rivers of spilt digital ink and no small amount of entertainment for those who recognize it as the substance-free budgetary Kabuki theater it is, it won't change a thing about the basic fact that the U.S. is wildly insolvent, our leaders haven't the foggiest clue how to get us back even to the "rigorous fiscal austerity" of the first 7 years of the disastrous W. Bush presidency, and the only thing standing between us and a collapse of either the currency or the government (or both) is the need of our creditors to believe they are going to get paid and that the whole thing will turn out to be something other than what it is, namely the biggest Ponzi scheme in history. But until the the inevitable cutting up of the proverbial Federal credit card occurs, party like it's 1999. Sorry to be such an aguafiestas on only the 2nd day of the new year, but you did ask. ;) |
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Sep 2002
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Krugman`s latest op-ed, Deep Hole Economics, correctly puts the focus opn the "it`s the jobs, stupid" issue, but while proposing a depression-era WPA-style government jobs-creation effort, he fails to mention whether the first Obama administration stimulus package (which included hundreds of billions of $ allegedly for that very purpose) was actually effective at creating meaningful numbers of jobs or fixing infrastructure on an extent which would justify its cost. That`s the problem with über-Keynesianites like Mr. K: First they fail to recognize that depression-era public-works projects, while they did serve as a productive form of unemployment assistance (in stark contrast to the paying-people-to-sit-on-their-sofa welfare we do today), failed to provide any lasting economic recovery, and they fail to mention the effects of laws passed since the GD which effectively mandate gross overpayment for such make-work jobs. Specifically, the Davis-Bacon act mandates payment of "prevailing wage", meaning that a pothole filler who should be thrilled to get minimum wage now must be paid the same as a full-time road-crew employee of his city gets, which is almost always way to much, because if it weren't, city budgets across the nation would not be in such dire shape, despite record-high taxes in most cases. You can repair a whole lot more infrastructure at $10-15$ per hour than you can for $30-50.
And speaking of debt and deficits, a little amusement in advance of the upcoming faux-debate about raising the U.S. government`s oh-so-upwardly-mobile "debt ceiling": Who said It? See if you can guess who said the following in 2006 before you click the link (Courtesy of ZeroHedge): Who Said It? Quote:
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Regarding the December 30 and 31 posts of the 2010 thread:
Ernst quoted some numbers from a zerohedge.com article: Code:
Total jobs by sector (in thousands) Year Government Manufacturing (G/M), in % Absolute Change vs ---- ---------- ------------- ----------- previous decade 1970 12,687 17,848 71.1% --------------- 1980 16,375 18,733 87.4% +16.3% 1990 18,415 17,695 104.1% +16.7% 2000 20,790 17,263 120.4% +16.3% 2010 22,261 11,648 191.1% +70.7% But the three of us referred to that decline in isolation from consideration of manufacturing output or productivity. (I, at least, simply didn't think about that at the time.) Just now I heard an interview with the president of MIT, Susan Hockfield. Among other things, she said that the current US share of world manufactured goods, 23%, is the same as it was in [1970 or 1980, I think], because of productivity gains. (When I briefly googled for confirmation, I found many statements about imports and exports -- but her figure was for totals including domestic consumption, which I didn't find in my quick search.) Thus, the decline in manufacturing workers does not necessarily imply a decline (or indeed even a slowing of increase) in manufacturing output. Instead, the shifts of job percentages may say more about the relative productivity gains in different work categories and relative consumption changes between different categories. We're consuming more services now than we did before. That may be good or bad, but at least it needs to be considered alongside the bare jobs figures when attaching some meaning to those figures. My experience with "Made in China" might be at least partly a shift from "Made in Japan" or "Made in xxxxx" years ago when I didn't particularly care about countries of origin. I haven't actually recorded my observations in that regard. China's manufacturing has been more in the news in recent years when I've paid attention. And in the 1970s-1980s when I twice bought made-in-Japan cars, I wasn't as concerned about "buying USA" as I was when shopping more recently. |
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República de California
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I found an excellent 2004 academic article about this - I highlight some key snips from the "US and UK" section. The article notes that it is not only manufacturing *employment* which has fallen over the past few decades in the US and UK, but also the manufacturing trade *balance*, which is hard to reconcile with the claim that the US share of global manufacturing has stayed roughly constant over that time period. The "recession" the 2004 piece talks about is the 2000-2001 recession, but the main trends have persisted: De-industrialisation and the balance of payments in advanced economies Quote:
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Also, my problem with the economists` apparently worshipping of "productivity" as being good for the economy is that it can (and has) masked a hemorrhaging of relatively high-wage jobs, with an ever-dwindling number of folks doing a fabulous job of producing ever-higher value-add goods, while the ones that get "productivized" out of those jobs face long-term unemployment or new lower-wage jobs as burger flippers and Walmart greeters. This is the "hollowing out" of the American middle calss wage base I have talked about repeatedly. Corporations are making fabulous profits, but those profits are accruing to ever-fewer people. |
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Her claim said nothing about any sector other than manufacturing, so data about those other sectors is irrelevant. Furthermore, her claim was about the US share of global manufacturing output, not about employment, employment percentages, or GDP. Quote:
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Wasn't it also you who complained about adjustments to the list of items included in the CPI (such as phasing out buggy-whip prices in favor of computer prices)? Is it just that you don't want things to change unevenly, so that there aren't disruptions in employment percentages, so the good old days can continue? ![]() (I'd like that -- I prefer gradualism in such matters -- but abruptness and disruption happens whether I like it or not.) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2011-01-05 at 01:02 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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I found a study with data going back to 1970 from the UK economic policy & statistics office, here is the PDF.
The above document has a year-by-year table of comparative manufacturing value-add data from 1970-2008. The absolute values for the US appear a bit lower in this one than for the other references we've cited, perhaps they use a slightly different methodology. But here is the main chart, showing wide fluctuations but an overall flat trendline from 1970 to the early 2000s, and a big downleg since then. Unless the US has (IMO implausibly) regained a big share from Chin in the past 2 years, this one also indicates a decrease: According to these data, in 1970 US global share of manufacturing output was 28.4%, in 2008 that was down to 17.5%. Again, the trend was far from monotonic: |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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U.N. Food Price Index Jumps in December: [i]
An index of key commodities rose 32 percent in six months, putting prices near the crisis levels that provoked shortages and riots in poor countries two years earlier.[/url] Quote:
The unnamed "economists" cited in the article are similarly ludicrous - it appears that by their measures, it`s OK if food is becoming unaffordable as long as there is a "healthy supply" of it. And none of them seems to be asking the obvious "If supplies are so plentiful, why are prices rising so fast?" And at the same time, "bad weather affecting commodity crops in many exporting countries" has somehow not hurt supply, but is supposed to help explain the high prices. The whole article deserves a giant "WTF?" sticker. In other news, today`s ADP payroll-employment report was cheered by the markets, but was also diametrically opposed to the employment component of the ISM Services report which came out a few hours later. The one consistent trend in recent manufacturing and services indices has been the worrisomely rising producer-prices-paid components, which are again indicative of commodities price inflation. Not all of that gets passed on to the consumer - if the producer cannot pass it on due to weak demand, it hammers their profit margin. In many cases, the producers try to pass it on by stealthy means, usually via reduction in package contents. I've seen numerous examples of this recently, for example jars of spaghetti sauce labeled as being "on sale" at Target, where the price is a tad lower than I paid the last time, but the jar magically has shrunk from 28oz to 24oz. ZeroHedge refers to this phenomenon as "Value Deflation": Quote:
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