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Old 2010-09-16, 22:03   #144
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Why? It's a question accordingly to the results here and I don't know if anybody has solved/proved this before.
Sort of a k-b-b analogue to the Sierpinski and Riesel conjectures. We can call it the Bonath Conjecture.
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Old 2010-09-16, 22:34   #145
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Why? It's a question accordingly to the results here and I don't know if anybody has solved/proved this before.
Because the fact that a*n + 1 always has an infinite amount of primes shoots that conjecture to hell.

You could try the other way;

Karsten's Conjecture: There is a k such that k * bb + 1 is never prime for all b>=1.

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Because the fact that a*n + 1 always has an infinite amount of primes shoots that conjecture to hell.
The same amount of primes got k*2^n+1 or k*2^n-1 and those values I think of are well known!
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Proof: Finding a potential candidate k, and giving a rigorous proof that k * bb + 1 is never prime for all b>=1.

Potential Refutation: Giving a rigorous proof that shows that every k has at least one prime for any b>=1.

Any search results on this one?

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A briefly promising candidate: 8.

Prime found at 17: 6617922095090694113417.

Another; 17.

Debunked at 210; 17 * 210210 + 1 is prime.

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21 * 990990 + 1 is prime. Trying again!

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21 * 990990 + 1 is prime. Trying again!
can we calculate what values don't hit 6n+1 or 6n-1 ?
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can we calculate what values don't hit 6n+1 or 6n-1 ?
Easy. Any value that is 3 mod 6. Divisible by three.

Ex: 8 * 1111 + 1 = 7988726777109 = 3 * 13 * 40429 * 5066639.

Or;

If k and b are both 2 mod 3, k * bb + 1 is divisible by 3.

Okay, the above is false.

32 * 4747 + 1 has a smallest factor of 701.

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21 * 990990 + 1 is prime. Trying again!
Why not using the Database?

And you're searching the false direction: k=5 is the first value with no prime of the form k*b^b+1 and b<1000!

The next values with no prime for b<1000 are k=29, 35, 41, 53, ...

And:

5*b^b+1 is composite for:
- b == 1 mod 2 (factor 2)
- b == 2 , 4 mod 6 (factor 3)

So a possible b-value has to be b == 0 mod 6.

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Exactly. I'm looking for a prime.

Let's get rid of 5, 29, 41, and 53.

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b=2 is impossible as 2^2*k-/+1 lands in 4n+1 and 4n+3.
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