mersenneforum.org  

Go Back   mersenneforum.org > Extra Stuff > Miscellaneous Math

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2010-09-05, 02:46   #265
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

3·1,993 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
I'm practically a comp. illiterate. I can't help it!
That's probably why it's so insulting that you feel the need and ability to write things like this:

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
Only executables can be run as apps outside of the Internet. If it's Internet-based, JavaScript rules.
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:47   #266
3.14159
 
3.14159's Avatar
 
May 2010
Prime hunting commission.

24·3·5·7 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
That's probably why it's so insulting that you feel the need and ability to write things like this:
Insulting to you, lack of knowledge to me.

Take your high horse elsewhere.

Last fiddled with by 3.14159 on 2010-09-05 at 02:49
3.14159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:49   #267
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

3·1,993 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
The app time for the p10 was <1 second.
...And? A 3 GHz processor does 3e9 cycles per second. But I was speaking to your 2.5 second time:
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
I would hardly call trial division to 106 in about 2.5 seconds slow.
Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
Caught, red-handed!
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're (apparently) choosing not to believe my claim that I'm a computer programmer. That's fine with me, I'm not about to give you evidence to show that I am. I don't need to defend myself.

It's bizzarre (to me) that you would even question that, given our relative programming abilities.

Last fiddled with by CRGreathouse on 2010-09-05 at 02:52
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:50   #268
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

3·1,993 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
Take your high horse elsewhere.
No thanks.
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:55   #269
3.14159
 
3.14159's Avatar
 
May 2010
Prime hunting commission.

69016 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
I have no idea what you're talking about. You're (apparently) choosing not to believe my claim that I'm a computer programmer. That's fine with me, I'm not about to give you evidence to show that I am. I don't need to defend myself.

It's bizzarre (to me) that you would even question that, given our relative programming abilities.
Fine. You win.

And, one does not need to be a programmer to know something about programming. Anyone with a keen interest in programming does not necessarily have an occupation as a programmer.

Last fiddled with by 3.14159 on 2010-09-05 at 02:57
3.14159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:57   #270
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

10111010110112 Posts
Talking

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
Whatever you say. I base it on the odds. And, one does not need to be a programmer to know something about programming. Anyone with a keen interest in programming does not necessarily have an occupation as a programmer.
Ah yes, because I have so much reason to lie about a thing like that.

How about you? What's your occuparion?
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 02:58   #271
3.14159
 
3.14159's Avatar
 
May 2010
Prime hunting commission.

24×3×5×7 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
Ah yes, because I have so much reason to lie about a thing like that.
It would have been as simple as showing me your website, and I would let it be.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
How about you? What's your occuparion?
Yes, because I was accusing you of being jobless.

Anyway:

My comp measures up at 2.4GHz, if I remember correctly.

(It alternates between 2.37 and 2.4, too lazy to get an exact measure.)

Last fiddled with by 3.14159 on 2010-09-05 at 03:05
3.14159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 03:12   #272
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

3·1,993 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
It would have been as simple as showing me your website, and I would let it be.
How would that prove anything? Anyone can have a website that claims that they are a computer programmer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
Yes, because I was accusing you of being jobless.
I don't deny the possibility that while I claim to be a programmer, I am in fact a hobo deceiving you (unsuccessfully?) into believing that I'm a computer programmer.

But this doesn't address my question. What do you do? If you're going to pester me about what I do, disbelieve my answer, and accuse me of being jobless,* I think I can at least ask you what you do, even if you're not willing to "prove it".

* Why in the world wouldn't I tell you if I was jobless? It would be to my advantage to say, "I'm an out-of-work programmer" if I was out of work, in hopes that eventually I would say this to someone who might hire me (or who knew someone who would hire me).

Quote:
Originally Posted by 3.14159 View Post
My comp measures up at 2.4GHz, if I remember correctly.

(It alternates between 2.37 and 2.4, too lazy to get an exact measure.)
OK. So if trial-dividing up to a million takes 2.5 seconds, that's 12,000 to 13,000 cycles per prime. This is about 200 times less work per cycle than this computer. But this computer uses an old architechture, meaning that it's able to do less work per cycle than newer computers. If yours is a Core or a Core 2, the program ("applet") is actually 300 times worse than my Pari script.

This is surprising, since this is not really the kind of work that Pari is good at.
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 03:18   #273
3.14159
 
3.14159's Avatar
 
May 2010
Prime hunting commission.

24·3·5·7 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
I don't deny the possibility that while I claim to be a programmer, I am in fact a hobo deceiving you (unsuccessfully?) into believing that I'm a computer programmer.
Nah, that's out of the question. My skepticism isn't that harsh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
OK. So if trial-dividing up to a million takes 2.5 seconds, that's 12,000 to 13,000 cycles per prime. This is about 200 times less work per cycle than this computer.But this computer uses an old architechture, meaning that it's able to do less work per cycle than newer computers. If yours is a Core or a Core 2, the program ("applet") is actually 300 times worse than my Pari script.
Is your PARI script:

trialdivide(n) = {
forprime(p=2,(<insert primelimit here>),
if(n%p==0, return(p))
);
}
??

And, yes, the processor is a Core 2.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles
But this doesn't address my question. What do you do? If you're going to pester me about what I do, disbelieve my answer, and accuse me of being jobless,* I think I can at least ask you what you do, even if you're not willing to "prove it".
I'm the average high schooler.

Last fiddled with by 3.14159 on 2010-09-05 at 03:25
3.14159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 03:48   #274
3.14159
 
3.14159's Avatar
 
May 2010
Prime hunting commission.

110100100002 Posts
Default

I wonder what the largest primes for each category are:

For the designated categories:
1. Proths: 22147 * 2256720 + 1 (3.14159) (77285 digits)
2. Generalized Proths: 4*17178438 + 1 (Batalov) (219561 digits)
3. Factorial-based Proths: 2634 * 2480!2 + 1 (3.14159) (14690 digits)
4. Primorial-based Proths: 703 * p(125)66 + 1 (3.14159) (19104 digits)
5. Prime-based Proths: 28380*19998560 + 1 (3.14159) (28260 digits)
6. Primorial: 466*7297#+1 (3.14159) (3124 digits)
7. Factorial: 1364 * 4200! + 1 (3.14159) (13399 digits)
8. Generalized Cullen-Woodall: 4034 * 15001534 + 1 (3.14159) (12816 digits)
9. Factorial-based Cullen-Woodall: (No submissions)
10. Primorial-based Cullen-Woodall: (No submissions)
11. Prime-based Cullen-Woodall: (No submissions)
12. k-b-b's: (No submissions)
13. Factorial-based k-b-b's: (No submissions)
14. Primorial-based k-b-b's: (No submissions)
15. Prime-based k-b-b's: 240790*48614861 + 1 (3.14159) (17927 digits)
16. Number, square, and fourth:
Code:
1546750398064958524633425292455441988676752527730835687139862311217981986247572619886186890734016949799686352443760408934653066300968034776190705901570570913201114184380563243205276690363368824249952639567750758594330067937015662345505149388718977581056000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001
(3.14159) (301 digits)
17. Special Cofactor: (No submissions)
18. General Cofactor: (64177156568540609146951155341 * 67600 + 1)/500312594495474956967917511 (3.14159) (5917 digits)
19. General arithmetic progressions: 2304*27980 + 19 (3.14159) (2406 digits)
20. Obsolete-tech proven primes: 570331 * 293560 + 1 is prime! (3.14159) (28171 digits) (Proth.exe)

Last fiddled with by 3.14159 on 2010-09-05 at 04:25
3.14159 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-09-05, 16:35   #275
mdettweiler
A Sunny Moo
 
mdettweiler's Avatar
 
Aug 2007
USA (GMT-5)

3·2,083 Posts
Default

A submission for #2 on the -1 side:

2778*211^47085-1 is prime!

Again, found in an effort to prove the Riesel base 211 conjecture as part of the Conjectures 'R Us project. Found and proven by PFGW via PRPnet.
mdettweiler is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prime posting thread, part 2. (With a catch.) 3.14159 Miscellaneous Math 55 2010-11-19 23:55
Tiny range request .... 555.1M petrw1 LMH > 100M 1 2010-07-13 15:35
Other primes thread nuggetprime No Prime Left Behind 32 2009-10-21 21:48
Error: tiny factoring failed 10metreh Msieve 26 2009-03-08 23:28
Tiny error on nfsnet pages. antiroach NFSNET Discussion 1 2003-07-08 00:27

All times are UTC. The time now is 22:03.


Fri Aug 6 22:03:43 UTC 2021 up 14 days, 16:32, 1 user, load averages: 2.75, 2.77, 2.69

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum has received and complied with 0 (zero) government requests for information.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.
A copy of the license is included in the FAQ.