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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Moron of the Week:
...None other than our old pal Paul Krugman, who in musing about the apparent insufficiency of the 2009 economic stimulus of nearly $1 trillion in new-borrowed money, reveals that he truly believes that government make-work jobs can substitute for real sustainable private-sector job creation: Quote:
Neologism Des Tages: "Realwirtschaftler" In the field of politics there is a popular term taken from the German, Realpolitik, literally "real politics". A popular definition of this is "a ruthlessly realistic and opportunist approach to statesmanship, rather than a moralistic one, esp as exemplified by Bismarck", but here I`d like to use the less-nationalist version of the term, i.e. as used to distinguish politics grounded in the messy complexities and often-unsatisfactory compromises of the real world from ivory-tower political science as often taught at university. In that spirit I`d like to introduce the term Realwirtschaft, literally "real economics". Note that German already has a common usage for the same term: "Unter dem Begriff Realwirtschaft (realer Sektor) wird in der Volkswirtschaftslehre der Teil der Gesamtwirtschaft bezeichnet, der nicht zum monetären Sektor zählt." Translation: "The term Realwirtschaft (real sector) is used in the field of applied economics to describe the part of the overall economy which does not belong to the financial sector." That is different than my usage here, but fits nicely into the same framework because it deals with the "real" productive sector of the economy so often neglected by neoclassical and Keynesian/monetarist (briefly, "Ponzi") economic theory. Practitioners of (my form of) Realwirtschaft are still "economists", but because I so often use "economist" as a pejorative - because the overwhelming majority of its practitioners deserve such - I find myself looking for a term to distinguish practitioners of "real economics" from their odium-deserving economics-as-a-quasi-religion-practicing "colleagues". I find the German facility for stringing together nouns and modifiers handy in this respect, hence the term Realwirtschaftler, meaning "practitioners of real economics". Anyway, well-known Aussie Realwirtschaftler Steve Keen has another gem about the distressing tendency of most of the economics profession to ignore something as crucial as private-sector debt in the theories and models, and the high price everyone pays when top governmental-position economists and central bankers succumb to such lunacy: What Bernanke Doesn't Understand About Deflation: Quote:
---------------------------- [30 August 2010] Today is Day 1300 since the start of the global financial crisis, and there have been 0 related criminal convictions. |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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So what do you think should have happened? No stimulus at all in 2009? http://www.economy.com/mark-zandi/do...-Recession.pdf talks about what would have happened then. Ernst, your and Mish's attacks on Krugman are sounding increasingly deranged and lacking in basic courtesy and respect.
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Sep 2002
República de California
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I have no problem calling Ponzi master Greenspan a moron for believing (or at least pretending) that there is no such thing as "to much debt" and that perpetually living beyond one's means is a viable basis for an economy. I similarly have no problem calling Krugman a moron for advocating the same lunacy at the sovereign-debt level, and for claiming -as in the post I linked yesterday - that government make-work jobs can substitute for genuine productive private-sector employment. I save my respect for those who deserve it, and in this case, we are way beyond mere subjective "honorable people can disagree" differences - Krugman and his ilk are advocating the mathematically impossible. If my resulting derision makes me "deranged" in your eyes, then 'tis a form of 'madness' I gladly embrace. -------------------------- Troubles at Afghan Bank Jolt Financial System. The Afghan government intervened to shore up a deeply troubled bank on Tuesday, sending shock waves through the capital and prompting fears that Afghanistan’s pervasive corruption had now put the country’s entire financial system at risk. Quote:
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P90 years forever!
Aug 2002
Yeehaw, FL
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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George, Don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.
Look carefully at Fannie and Freddie and you will see part of the picture how the MBS are being hidden. DarJones |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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My take is that because TARP sensibly included terms (e.g. no executive bonuses) most firms find overly restrictive, all those - mainly the too-big-too-fails - which have other ways to get the government to give them free money have made a big show of repaying their TARP monies, and are back to paying huge bonuses, many while still having huge amounts of toxic assets they are currently artificially valuing (thanks to the govt-sponsored suspension of the longstanding FASB mark-to-market accounting rules) and/or holding off-balance-sheet (much as the government is keeping its Fannie/Freddie commitments and Social-Security borrowings off balance sheet). all while continuing to get getting bailed out by other means. "Other means" includes the myriad of discount lending facilities the Fed opened in 2007 and 2008 (borrow at effectively 0%, invest in Treasuries yielding 2-3% for a risk-free return), the FDIC Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program, and most especially the Fed's $Trillion-plus MBS-purchasing spree which ended this past spring. The beauty of running most of the real bailouts through the Fed and the Treasury's backstopping of Fan and Fred is the sheer lack of transparency - The Fed has only said how much it *spent* on MBS, not how it decided to set the purchase price. IMO that is where most of the real bailouts are occurring - safely out of sight on the Fed's "balance sheet", whose size, management and expansion rate are beyond the control of congress and the executive branch. There it sits, with the as-yet-unbooked losses on the crap-MBS waiting to be converted into currency devaluation by way of the Fed's usual "slow bleed to zero" stealth-taxation mechanism. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Let me point out that Ernst is the only person so far to have contributed a detailed entry for my "Alternate scenarios for post-Sept. 15 2008" thread at http://mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=12816
I've been hoping to have entries there from conservatives -- who, collectively, nationally, seem to be just saying "NO" to everything that has been tried, but somehow managing not to have the fortitude to set forth a noticeable plan of what they would have had the government do instead. Apparently, today's conservatives would prefer that the country had just gone into the dump a la Hoover and that we have a second Great Depression, gambling that their well-honed ability to blame everything on liberals would result in dazzling enough fiscally-illiterate voters to persuade them to restore political power to the folks who caused this crisis. I'll bet Barry Goldwater would've set forth some coherent plan that had more words than "NO". (Of course, today's GOP leaders would've been horrified by such a rational appeal, because it ignores think-tank findings that the best way to sway voters is to use framing and a carefully-selected set of phrases to reach them on subconscious emotional levels.) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2010-09-02 at 00:41 |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Usually when govt. mouth-pieces claim that "TARP" will not lose too much money or will make money they may be technically correct but as Ernst rightly points out there are so many other forms of bank bailouts - and the neverending sinkholes of Fannie and Freddie that provide a backdoor bailout to the banks - that that sort of a statement is misleading at best.
Ernst, I'm in full agreement with you on bank bailouts, the lack of regulation and all that. But bailouts and stimulus are two separate issues. It is possible to be in support of one but not the other. And not be called a moron for doing so, thank you very much! @George: Zandi and Blinder are not exactly my favourite economists</understatement>. But their analysis of what might have happened deserves some attention. @cheesehead: Ernst's solution is great and I mostly agree with it but it only deals with the financial crisis. He does not present any solutions for the "economic" crisis so I think I am well within my rights to ask him how he would deal with that. Also, what will be the effect on unemployment of the steps he proposes. And taxes? Debt-deleveraging is necessary. But done the wrong way or done too fast, it can make the economy much much worse. @All: I would again urge everyone to read Jeremy Grantham's latest from July http://www.gmo.com/websitecontent/JG...ssays_2Q10.pdf My position is to simply ape his position on everything
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Sep 2002
República de California
19·613 Posts |
Thanks for the kind words, cheesehead ... garo, with respect to alternatives to last year's stimulus package and how to deal with the unemployment crisis, my main 2 themes are thus:
[1] For stimulus to have any chance of being effective, it needs to produce (either directly or indirectly) more GDP growth than it costs - this is why the "priming the pump" metaphor is commonly used by its advocates. Simply overpaying folks to refill potholes and work on overpriced local-pork-barrel projects provides paychecks but does zilch (or close to zilch) in terms of supporting sustainable economic growth. Looking at the great Depression, you see the FDR administration tried many things, and failed at many (perhaps most) of them, but the point is, they had their priorities right (help out main street, provide jobs but also gain some real broader societal benefit from doing so), and some of those projects (Hoover Dam and the interstate highway system come to mind) proved huge wins down the road. For me, that nearly-$trillion spending package could have instead been targeted at ending America's overreliance on fossil fuels (especially oil) and initiating the largest clean-tech R&D effort in history, a sort of "Green Energy Manhattan Project". That would have long-term economic, environmental and national-security benefits. [2] I have no problem with extending unemployment benefits in a genuine jobs crisis like we have at present, but firmly believe in getting something back in return for those checks - e.g. some kind of national community-service initiative. See my previous posts (and the ensuing discussion) in this thread about that. And of course this needs to be in the context of forcing the bad debt hobbling the economy into the open - there can be no real recovery before many of the debt-excesses of the past several decades are wrung out. And the "learning to live within our means" theme needs to apply not just to overleveraged households but to the government as well. --------------------- Quick roundup of the major stories of the past few days: Lehman`s Dick Fuld lied his ass off to the FCIC yesterday and appears to have gotten away with it ... NYT editorial about corporate execs crying about a provision in the new financial reform law that requires companies to disclose the ratio between a chief executive’s pay package and that of a typical employee...and the SEC is very belatedly (but hopefully better-belatedly-than-neverly) looking into several of the most-popular HFT market-scamming practices, specifically those of "Quote Stuffing" and "Sub-Pennying". Since the aforementioned ZeroHedge article summary is based on a WSJ piece, we of course must temper all the evidence of flagrant market-manipulation by the HFTs with a nice-sounding blurb about the wonderful benefits to "the average investor" of such "financial innovations": Quote:
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Yesterday`s ISM Numbers and the "Sniff Test" Noted Realwirtschaftler David Rosenberg comments on yesterday`s market-buoying "much better than expected" ISM numbers (which he says don`t pass the sniff test, since the headline number seems much better than the sum of its regional parts), and concludes with a commentary on the ongoing debate as to whether we are merely in a very deep recession, or What is a depression anyway, and why do we continue to be in one?: Quote:
Robert Reich | The Stock Market Rally Versus the World's Economic Fundamentals: Robert Reich’s latest epistle – I agree with everything he says except for the ‘we need more stimulus’ advocacy. OTOH I am not as hard on RR as on ‘stimulus to the moon in ever-huger amounts’ folks like Krugman, because Reich always makes clear that his number one concern is the labor market, and he advocates not pork-barrel-megastimulus but rather more-targeted lots-of-jobs-for-the-money and “economic sectors which should be drivers of future sustainable growth” (e.g. cleantech) stimulus. I know Mish will likely disagree even on that, but hopefully despite such policy debates our readers will find the “Can China Inc really pull the whole world out of recession?” theme illuminating: The Stock Market Rally Versus the World's Economic Fundamentals |
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P90 years forever!
Aug 2002
Yeehaw, FL
19·397 Posts |
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With this background, I cannot comprehend any argument as to how HFT, which generates billions for the middlemen/brokers, is of any value to the average investor - the buyers and sellers. Last fiddled with by Prime95 on 2010-09-03 at 15:57 |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
7·137 Posts |
HFT quote stuffing allows a computer to shove so many orders into a system that all orders on that system become delayed. If the delay is long enough, the computer can then go to an alternate computer market and find tiny differences in price between the two that can be exploited. There is ZERO benefit of any sort for the average investor, it is all about benefit for the HFT.
There are other manipulations that you can speculate about. I came up with 3 other methods that could be used to exploit the market including 'tweening' (getting between the bid/ask price to skim off slices), 'leading' (detect a competitors market action and get ahead of it), 'shoving' (use a barrage of buy/sell orders to manipulate the price of a given stock either up or down with a final liquidation of position at a profit). If I can think of ways to do this you can bet the smart cookies writing the programs can think of better ways. The thing is that as more HFT's get in the fray, they tend to cancel each other out. This postulates that an arms race of sorts is going on as they search for new ways to skim before others can balance it. DarJones |
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