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Sep 2002
República de California
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Oh, good grief ... here we go again ... Guys, can we please try to keep the political/personal flame wars out of the main thread?
Gonna unilaterally impose a moratorium on further "debate" about the Clinton budgets here, because I consider that issue SETTLED beyond any reasonable doubt, to the effect that: 1. The late Clinton budgets were closer to balanced than at any other time in the last few decades; 2. Those budgets benefited to no small extent from the one-time windfall of the still-inflating dotcom stock-market bubble, and as such Clinton deserves no kudos for the good fortune that he exited just before the effects of dotcom blowing sky-high impacted revenues. 3. While Clinton may have had urges to spend large sums on e.g. social programs, having to work with a Republican congress restrained such spending, to some extent. 4. Irrespective who succeeded Clinton, there would have been a massive hole blown in the budget due to dotcom busting. But Bush went out of his way to make things far, far worse by way of irresponsible tax cuts which disproportionately benefited the rich, and (after 9/11) starting 2 wars, the larger of which was completely unjustified and actually detracted from the stated "real mission" of going after Al Qaeda. 5. Quibble all you want about accounting methodologies, the *fact* is that by the only honest accounting methods ever invented, (total revenues - total expenditures), the federal deficit increased every single year under Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr., and (so far) Obama. Call me a forum Nazi, but any more posts containing "debate" about the mythical "Clinton balanced budget" or "budget surpluses" are gonna get deleted with extreme prejudice. Cheesehead, any more atomic-level post-dissective diarrhea like the above from you will also be subject to vaporization without trial. Robust debate is one thing, your special kind of obsessive "but he said on line 25, paragraph (b) of post #117 in thread #5865384 that ----, which by his own more-recent admission..." is entirely another. (*And* you felt the need to *again* claim a Clinton surplus based on your Holy Table 1.1, which has already been *factually* debunked because it omits Social Security "borrowings", i.e. engages in accounting trickery ... just like every "official Federal budget" of the past 30-or-so years has. We do not base discussion of real economics and finance on accounting fraud here ... you want to do that, do it on your own time, or start a mutual-support thread where you can engage in Ponzi accounting with the folks who ran the Repo105 scam with Dick Fuld. Fair warning - now, back to our previous discussion about the economy... -------------------------------- Matt Taibbi has a blog posting about the just-announced departure of Christina Romer from Obama`s economic-policy inner circle: Are We In a Recession or Not? Quote:
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"𒉺𒌌𒇷𒆷𒀭"
May 2003
Down not across
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I declare that Godwin's Law applies and, anyway, you probably meant to type terminated with extreme prejudice. Can we now return to our scheduled tedious haranguing please? Paul |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Moral hazard aplenty in this NYT piece about the tide of defaults in home equity loans:
Debts Rise, and Go Unpaid, as Bust Erodes Home Equity Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Robert Reich`s latest:
America’s Biggest Jobs Program -- The U.S. Military Quote:
Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2010-08-13 at 22:24 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Interesting piece in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune about the growing legion of attorneys specializing in fighting against overaggressive debt collectors ... these 2 groups really deserve each other:
Debtors in court -- suing collectors. Using legal tactics pioneered by a Minneapolis attorney, debtors are striking back. Quote:
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[Aside: For the amateur etymologists out there, the expression "scot-free" comes from the old English (by way of Norse) scotfreo, "free from royal tax"...the word 'scot' refers not to those wild folk from the far northern reaches of Olde England but rather to "A local tax, paid originally to the lord or ruler and later to a sheriff. Which begs the question: Is getting off scot-free the same as welshing on one's obligations?] |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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I have a strong sense of instability in the econo-market recently. It is a feeling of hanging on a precipice about to fall with fingers slipping and a scream gurgling up in your throat. The "hindenburg" indicator mentioned above appears to be a good indicator of instability. We will see shortly if my pessimism is warranted. September is historically a month that brings an inordinate amount of major events in the market. Sometime between the 15th and 30th would fit.
Perhaps now would be a good time to take out a carefully considered short position. DarJones |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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And speaking of disconnects between short-term market behavior and macro fundamentals, Bloomberg today has a nice opinion piece on Europe: Debt Virus Spreads After Make-Believe Recovery: Matthew Lynn Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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You know we're headed for a double-dip when:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Barry Ritholtz takes Treasury secretary Tim Geithner to task over a recent self-laudatory NYT op-ed in which TG pointed to a recent study by FedHead Alan Blinder and Moody`s chief economist Mark Zandi which concluded that "The combined actions since the fall of 2007 of the Federal Reserve, the White House and Congress helped save 8.5 million jobs and increased gross domestic product by 6.5 percent relative to what would have happened had we done nothing.".[Barry`s Emphasis]. Barry argues that the comparison-to-doing-nothing is absurd, and that the correct countervailing what-if standard should instead be "what if we had instead forced failed financial institutions into insolvency and forced-sale or prepackaged bankruptcy?". I've done some minor reformatting of BR`s post to improve (I hope) readability:
2008 Bailout Counter-Factual Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Just a bad trend' - 500,000 jobless claims. A government report Thursday brought bad news for workers and the economy: The number of unemployed Americans seeking a financial lifeline has reached its highest level in nine months.
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Of course very near the link to the above article on the CNN/Money homepage we see the obligatory "bullish spin from Wall Street sell-siders" piece, which attempts to "put all this bad-sounding news in perspective": Stop worrying about a double dip Quote:
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Hey, why not add some bluest-of-the-blue-chip financial stocks to the mix? Like, say, Lehman Brothers (LEH) or AIG (AIG)? Those firms should be quite recession proof, no? Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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ZeroHedge reader John McCloy shares a fascinating stimulus-project vignette from his neck of the woods on Long Island:
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