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Old 2009-12-12, 04:20   #1
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Many have noticed that the linear algebra problem produced by the heavy-duty factoring algorithms behaves strangely when the problem size increases, and that it becomes impossible to solve if you are not careful. These guys actually analyze sparse Gauss elimination as a thermodynamic problem and work out thresholds beyond which Gauss elimination becomes hard. In particular, their work has implications for NFS filtering.

Unfortunately they work on a simplified version of the full problem, and it isn't obvious after a quick reading that there's anything here that msieve can use.
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Many have noticed that the linear algebra problem produced by the heavy-duty factoring algorithms behaves strangely when the problem size increases, and that it becomes impossible to solve if you are not careful. These guys actually analyze sparse Gauss elimination as a thermodynamic problem and work out thresholds beyond which Gauss elimination becomes hard. In particular, their work has implications for NFS filtering.

Unfortunately they work on a simplified version of the full problem, and it isn't obvious after a quick reading that there's anything here that msieve can use.
A long ago, I actually implemented Odlyzko's and LaMacchia'a ideas
about sparse Gaussian elimination in order to implement filtering.

I found that the clique methods developed by CWI produced better
results, so now I use their code instead.
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I found that the clique methods developed by CWI produced better
results, so now I use their code instead.
Those clique methods are a prelude to the merge phase, which looks exactly like Gauss elimination even in CWI's code. (More details in my CADO slides). So the results above could still be relevant.
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