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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Then substitute "incorrect".
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You stated, "But the *majority* of Iranians do not want a dictator." (Which is a matter of popularity) "They even chant from their rooftops, "Marg bar dictator!", or "Death to the dictator!" (Which has to do with dislike of the leader or leaders) "Thus, from that perspective," (Implies that your following statement is couched as a logical deduction from your preceding points) "Khamenei is completely incompetent." (But this is not about popularity or dislike, as were your preceding statements. Competence is not a synonym for popularity or dislike.) You drew an incorrect logical inference. AKA "wrong". That's how. Quote:
- - - - - After quoting my "Do you think that competence to run a country requires having the ability to prevent (not merely "punish", "react" or "ignore", but prevent) demonstrations of dissent? That would be the only way your statement about his competence makes sense -- that he has failed to prevent demonstrations of dissent." you replied, Quote:
If so, then by your standard no modern democratic leader -- no US president, no British prime minister, no French president, no German chancellor, ... -- has been competent to run a country, since none has had the ability to prevent demonstrations of dissent. Do you really want your requirement for competence to rule out every modern democratic leader of a country? Quote:
Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-06-20 at 17:51 Reason: removed a surplus "to have" |
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All I am saying is that the attainment of a utopia is impossible. The Iranian people shouldn't expect a utopia; however, they need reform. The fact that the votes of many Iranians have been ignored is outrageous and cries for institutional reform! Thus, I am in favor of these protests (just as long as they are maintained peaceful by the people who bring them about). I personally believe that religious affairs and state matters should not be as closely intertwined as they are in Iran. I think a new form of government (a democracy more like the one in the US) should be put in place. Do any other people on the forum believe that the government in Iran should be changed? Last fiddled with by flouran on 2009-06-20 at 17:35 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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I'd hate to see a violent putdown of the present Iranian protests. OTOH such an event could eventually turn out to have been an inspirational incident on the way to a more representative form of government, and it could turn out that history judged the casualties to have been worth the inspirational value. And it would certainly be better for such a path to occur before Iran acquired nuclear weapons. Once the theocratic leadership were to have nukes, ay yi yi. |
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Dec 2008
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I think I really identify with this article (except for the fact that I have never used a social networking site in my life such as Twitter, Facebook, or Myspace):
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31456668...shington_post/ |
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Jul 2007
Tennessee
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IMO, I'm sure the technology and resources for such an atrocity are on the black market. Even belonging to an oppressed group of terrorists doesn't leave one who has embraced the capacity for greater understanding in the dark, with modern technology and communications being what it is today. One mustn't be Hindu to believe "Where there is a will there is a way". Last fiddled with by AES on 2009-06-23 at 04:09 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Stratfor presents another analysis of the Iranian situation, including important factors I hadn't known or considered.
"The Iranian Election and the Revolution Test" http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090...evolution_test Be warned that if you haven't already signed up for their free mailings, as I have, going to that URL may subject you to various membership pitches. Just say no, and they'll let you see the article eventually. (However, I'm posting the entire article here, as is allowed by Stratfor: "This report may be forwarded or republished on your website with attribution to www.stratfor.com") Quote:
Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-06-23 at 05:49 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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... continuation of Stratfor article:
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Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-06-23 at 05:47 |
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"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
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Thanks for the post, Flouran - I really had a good belly laugh!
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
22·3·641 Posts |
More Stratfor analysis.
"The Real Struggle in Iran and Implications for U.S. Dialogue" http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090...s_u_s_dialogue (As before, Stratfor allows "This report may be forwarded or republished on your website with attribution to www.stratfor.com") The author writes: "The key to understanding the situation in Iran is realizing that the past weeks have seen not an uprising against the regime, but a struggle within the regime." For just a summary, readers may wish to skip down to the three-paragraph conclusion at the end of the next post. Then restarting at the beginning will give you more appreciation of the details if you wish. Quote:
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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(continuation of Stratfor article)
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