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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Friday Humor: (Forgot to post it that day, is all)
Interestingly, this is *not* in fact an Onion spoof or Today Show sketch - with an always-entertaining nutcase like "Berber Gone Bonkers" Gaddafi, "you just can't make shit like this up": Gaddafi Calls for an End to Switzerland: Quote:
One for the "History of Central Banking" buffs Mises.org has a very nice article about a fascinating piece of American financial history ... the Second Bank of the United States and the war between its president Nicholas Biddle and the "lesser president" of the United States, Andrew Jackson - here is a small snip: Nicholas Biddle: The 19th-Century Bernanke?: Nicholas Biddle (1786–1844) ... was the president of the American central bank that preceded the Fed: the Second Bank of the United States. Quote:
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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From that u-e.p. came this Krugman article a few days ago: (I'm surprised to find that Ernst hasn't already linked and quoted it, as far as I can tell -- did I overlook something?).
"How Did Economists Get It So Wrong?" http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/ma...nted=1&_r=1&em (The single-page version is here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/ma...pagewanted=all) BTW, davar55, Krugman points out on pages 3 and 5 of this article why Alan Greenspan deserves vilification. Quote:
Ernst: I know you recently criticized Krugman and Keynes. Might that be because of misunderstandings (yours or others') of what Keynes actually said, as Krugman points out in parts of the article I haven't quoted? Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-09-08 at 22:15 |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Then, once convinced (as Keynesians are) that government intervention is a good, that of course means a fiat currency - problem #2. Since printing of paper money (or its electronic equivalents) is most quickly seen in the baqnking sector and equity markets, that`s where the central bankers begin looking to see if their policies are "working". Great example going on right now - trillions of $ of Fed-supplied free (i.e. to borrow by the TBTF banks) money haven't done a damn thing for the remaining scraps of the real productive economy, but the banks have fattened their bottom lines and the stock markets are bubbling away in wonderfully Greenspanian irrationally exuberant fashion, so the White House and mainstream media have been falling over themselves to claim that a "recovery" is underway. In other words, putting central bankers in charge of "managing the economy" produces an incredibly distorted bankers-eye view of the economy. Fiat money of course (especially when coupled with the special role of the U.S. $ as the global reserve currency) makes it all too easy to print one`s way out of crises, which leads to a "government bailout" mentality. The resulting government current-account deficits require continual "economic growth" to service, which means either currency devaluation, or a tendency to try to "stimulate" consumption in order to "grow" GDP, or both. This causes government fiscal debauchery to "leak over" into consumer behavior. The Telegraph had a nice piece on this synergy this past weekend: Adam Smith would not be optimistic in today's economic world Quote:
Ha, check out this decade-old quote from Time at the Keynes wikipage: In 1999, Time Magazine named Keynes one of the 100 Most Important People of the 20th Century and reported that, "His radical idea that governments should spend money they don't have may have saved capitalism". The Germans have a wonderful term for this sort of premature self-congratulation: Vorschusslorbeeren. (Roughly, "premature laurels"). Note this was during the first of the Greenspan credit bubbles, which popped rather loudly a year later and plunged the U.S. into a severe recession. True neo-Keynesian interventionist that he was, Greenspan tried fixing that problem by way of even more intervention, which gave us the housing bubble. That`s the delusional "you can have all the gain without any of the pain" mind-set of the neo-Keynesian bubble-blowers and money-printers. Krugman, apparently having missed the huge irony of the above quote, makes a similarly grandiose claim in another recent NYT op-ed: Till Debt Does Its Part Quote:
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
1E0C16 Posts |
It seems to me that both Krugman and I think:
a) the earlier Bush tax-cut deficits were unnecessary once the economy had recovered from the dotcom bubble, b) the unnecessarily-extended tax-cut deficits (plus the unnecessarily-low Fed interest rate) helped blow the housing bubble during the mid-2000s, and so boosted national debt for no good purpose, but c) after last year's financial crash, a Keynesian stimulus has been necessary. Mish seems unable to distinguish the difference in context between a) and c). If the federal budget had been returned to near-balance in, say, 2002-3 and stayed there until 2008 (i.e., if the GOP had returned to its historical fiscal responsibility stance), then the Keynesian stimulus deficit would not have to have been so enormous (say, sub-trillion). We would currently be facing a national debt amounting to about half of what it is now, with a projected debt growth rate half or so of what we're facing now. If the Fed had raised interest rates while the economy was healthy, it would have had more room to fight recession by lowering them now -- which would also have lessened the need for Keynesian deficit stimulus. Note that Krugman pointed out that when the Fed has lowered rates to zero -- which happened during the 1930s as well as now -- it has no more margin (in that regard, that is) for fighting recession, so other measures, such as the Keynesian stimulus, have to be used to have the effect that lowering interest rates would have had if they were still possible. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-09-09 at 01:44 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Ernst,
I think you, Mish and most of Austrian school economists misrepresent Keynes. Keynes called for counter-cyclical monetary policy. Once could say that the problem is that Greenspan remained pro-cyclical in the booms and counter-cyclical in busts. That is not Keynesian or neo-Keynesian. That is just plain stupid. So before you criticize "Keynesian clowns" any further you need to own up that you and others have made a mistake and completely neglected half the story. The problems were caused by Greenspan failing to take the punch bowl away not once but twice - in direct contravention of Keynesian economics. |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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I'm not letting JMK off the hook that easily ... at the very best he was hopelessly naive when it came to voluntary government downsizing - at worst he was willfully ignorant of the massive volume of real-world data pointing to the fallacy of that proposal. Anyway, we currently find ourselves smack in the middle of the "crisis" part of the interventionist-promoted bubble and bust cycle, and Keynesian interventionism is at the heart of the bailout mentality running amok around much of the developed world, especially here in the U.S. Were he alive to witness it, Keynes - Much like Marx - might well be appalled at what his latter-day acolytes are wreaking, but that that does not absolve him of responsibility for starting modern economics down the path it it is pursuing. |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
ACC16 Posts |
On today's must-read list
Priceless: How The Federal Reserve Bought The Economics Profession |
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Sep 2002
República de California
19·613 Posts |
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Social Security Trust Fund Shocker - $6B August Deficit: This was supposed to be a 2037 problem. No longer. Quote:
Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2009-09-11 at 01:54 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
19×613 Posts |
Lehman Monday Morning Lesson Lost With Obama Regulator-in-Chief Geithner
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Tactical Error: Health Care vs Finance Regulatory Reform Quote:
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Excellent, excellent post by Barry Ritholz.
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