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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Lovin` today's rollicking episode of "Bullshit Green-Shoots Spin", in which we find first-time unemployment claims "having stabilized" at a catastrophic level of nearly 600,000 per month is a positive (note that the economy in fact needs to *create* 120,000 new jobs each month just to keep unemployment at a constant level), and continuing claims dropping slightly AS A RESULT OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE EXHAUSTING THEIR BENEFITS is "great news for the economy!"
Irrational exuberance all over again ... optimism is one thing, but I simply cannot fathom the level of propaganda being pumped by the government/money-management/mainstream-media triumvirate, and the public`s willingness to fall for the same old song and dance once AGAIN. We've had no less than 3 such "delusional hope" rallies in the past year alone, and the first two (the big financial rally that started last March after Bear Stearns was "rescued" and subprime was pronounced "contained", and then the late Fall rally after Fannie, Freddie and AIG all got nationalized and the credit markets nearly completely collapsed) ended badly. Anyone wanna predict how long the current new-bubble insanity will last? Dow to 15,000, maybe? Delusional. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2009-07-30 at 21:15 |
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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Leading economic-media story today is the allegedly "better than expected" US Q2 GDP numbers (note the previously-reported-as-less-worse-than-expected-Q2-numbers were revised down to -6.4%, big surprise there, eh?) - looking more closely at the components of the GDP calculation, it appears the 2 biggest "pluses" last quarter were:
1) U.S. imports collapsed faster (-15%) than exports (-7%), which is a "positive" for GDP; 2) Military expenditures up a whopping 13% ... so much for Obama decreasing the bloated defense budget. And his fellow democrats aren`t helping in that regard either. Bankers Reaped Lavish Bonuses During Bailouts: Wall Street’s million dollar club had nearly 5,000 members in 2008, New York’s attorney general reported. My Comment: As this similar (and more-to-the-point-y) CNN/Money story notes, about a half-dozen of the biggest TARP-money recipients paid out more in bonuses than they made in terms of profits, allegedly in order to retain the top "talent" that did so much to help bring you the global financial crisis. China Bubble Update: James Galbraith On China`s Drastically Overstated Trade Surplus Quote:
Interesting Twist on the Underwater-Homeowners Statistics: WSJ: Study Finds Underwater Borrowers Drowned Themselves with Refinancings Quote:
Friday Funny: Hilarious op-ed by Bloomberg "Goldman Sachs insider" Michael Lewis - I especially like his GS-specific definition of "round to nearest": Bashing Goldman Sachs is Simply a Game for Fools: America stands at a crossroads, and Goldman Sachs now owns both of them. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Current-budget military spending is from what was authorized during the Bush administration. FY 2009, which ends Sept. 30, 2009, had to be budgeted before October 2008: before Obama was elected, much less had taken office. If there's really something in that 13% increase that was only authorized during the current administration, okay, but even the Wall Street Journal recognizes that non-emergency fiscal year budgets are passed before the start of the corresponding fiscal year, which is October 1 of the preceding calendar year. Quote:
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Jul 2007
Tennessee
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IMO, Yes, they need the money to buy insured, operational automobiles at an inflated price and then pay to transport, crush, and recycle. Am I still allowed to call "BullShit" in this game?
IMO, Bend over bitches, we're buying used cars and wrecking them without taking the first drink. Last fiddled with by AES on 2009-08-01 at 05:31 |
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Jul 2007
Tennessee
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Why not use the CARS model to drive up new house sales? If we collectively pay through taxes to buy and demolish enough established houses, the new house sales figure will have to boom.
Last fiddled with by AES on 2009-08-02 at 03:46 Reason: replaced home with house |
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Paying to place new energy efficient appliances on the other hand is more reasonable. |
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Dec 2008
Boycotting the Soapbox
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The federal government just has to pass regulation to the effect that it's a felony to live in a 20-year-old house. This would even create twice the jobs (one guy wrecking, one guy building). Cost control and social justice could be achieved by cutting out the corporate middle man: people who have so strongly exploited the working class that they can afford to buy a house.
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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Today's economic news includes statements by both Greenspan and Geithner that the economy is at the bottom and has actually trended upward a tiny amount. Jobs creation is lagging and layoffs continue at a very high level. Extending unemployment benefits is on the table as a stopgap measure. There are 1 million unemployed with expired benefits in the U.S. at this time. Presuming each gets $400 per week, that means $400,000,000 per week for at least 6 months or a total bill in the range of $10 Billion.
Putting aside Ewmayer's PermaBear viewpoint, lets ask if the economy is really starting to improve. 1. There are modest signs of housing prices recovering. 2. New unemployment claims are less on average than 3 months ago. 3. There are signs that Ford, GM, and Chrysler are benefitting from the clunker program. 4. Corporate earnings are significantly better than expected. 5. New home construction is actually improving. 6. People are starting to spend money again albeit cautiously. Balancing that are these negatives: 1. The $bailout and $stimulus are starting to run out for the former and starting to have effect for the latter, neither will sustain growth long term. 2. Credit card defaults have barely started to affect banks. Expect several MAJOR bank failures near term, just not the 'too big to fail' Citi, JPM, etc. 3. Overall debt levels on an individual basis are unsustainably high. 4. Corporate debt is triggering bankruptcy. 5. Government debt has increased to meteoric levels that cannot be sustained long term. 6. Overprinting of money has injected so much new money into the system that inflation is not just a possibility, it is guaranteed. While there are plenty of other items that could be listed with the above, overall, the positives and negatives seem to be balancing out to at least some extent for some length of time. The one significant conclusion you can reach is that TAXES will INCREASE while inflation erosion reduces buying power. I can see a time when a pauper will make $50,000/year? Does anyone want to take on the project of identifying ways to 'hedge' against inflation? Putting money in the mattress won't do the job and putting it in a bank at 1% or less interest is barely better. DarJones Last fiddled with by Fusion_power on 2009-08-02 at 18:49 |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Gold! There is gold in them thar hills
![]() But joking aside, I see your positive points but have several rejoinders. 1. I read some analysis that says that we will see a rise in the average price of a house sold because foreclosures and distressed sales are moving up the food chain. As we see more prime and jumbo mortgages default and houses come into the market the "average home price" will rise. The trick is to pay attention to like-for-like sales. 2. True but people are still losing jobs at what is a serious serious recession rate. Remember the economy needs to create 100k+ jobs just for the unemployment rate to stand still. 4. But what is "expected"? The numbers coming out of anal-ysts? They seriously low-balled the projections this time round. |
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