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Sep 2002
República de California
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Stock rally loses traction: Markets slip after Fed chairman Bernanke says the economic recovery is going to be slow and gradual.
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Caterpillar beats estimates, shares jump: Heavy equipment maker says it sees 'signs of stabilization' and raises its full-year profit outlook. Quote:
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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In this case, I will agree that Caterpillers outlook is favorable. They are in the pits. There is every indication that they will benefit significantly from infrastructure projects linked to stimulus dollars. So they climb out of the pits and maybe get up to the point of just being in a big mudhole.
This brings on an issue you should consider carefully ewmayer. Even in a terrible economy, there are some businesses that are thriving and expanding. Not to offer this as a general trend, but perhaps as an analogy, my business growing and selling tomato plants doubled this year. That is gross dollars. Net profit was significantly better because my expenses are relatively fixed. Now I have a terrible problem. I'm going to have to pay a duke's ransom in taxes. Note that is NOT a kings ransom, just a duke. I love gardening. Starting a business growing and selling tomato plants seemed like a natural extension of something I already enjoy. Now it is starting to seem more like running a business. That takes most of the fun out of something that I enjoy. I still get a lot of pleasure out of emails from customers who have the first good tasting tomato they have ever tasted in their lives. And just as an aside more in line with the thread intent, my hobby business can't quite replace my income from Nortel, but if it grows as expected for the next 2 years, I will make more than enough to leave Nortel. DarJones Last fiddled with by Fusion_power on 2009-07-21 at 23:14 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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And speaking of the ongoing collapse of the CRE securitization market... Overheard on the World Wild Web: In response to Standard & Poors' shameless about-about-face ("We rate this crap-mortgage-backed goop AAA ... oh wait, we meant BBB- ... whoops, changed our mind, we meant AAA...") in their ratings of certain commercial-real-estate-backed bonds, there was a lively discussion on ZeroHedge.com which included this exchange: Quote:
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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Again I disagree with you Ewmayer. Your complaint is that Caterpillar is overpriced re its P/E. That I agree with and I would not under any conditions buy stock at current prices. But you are painting the company totally black when in fact prospects over the next year are relatively good. Sales have been terrible for the past year. The overall housing and commercial real estate markets are indeed in extremely weak condition. What you gloss over is that at least 60% of Caterpillar's sales are to infrastructure businesses. These are the businesses that will benefit most from stimulus dollars and they will have to buy equipment. That translates to sales for Caterpillar. Now comparing apples to apples, Caterpillar has had very poor sales for the last year, but now there is a real prospect of improving sales over the next year at least. The question to ask is "Will it last"?
Did the company overstate prospects? Sure they did. Are the prospects actually improved compared to this time last year? They surely are, just not up to the level the company indicated. The weakest part of this picture is overseas sales which will continue to stagnate. As I said above, they were in the pits, now maybe they are in a big mudhole. DarJones |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Ernst, re Apple, have you taken a look at their forward P/E? How can you compare them favorably to CAT? Great products which people are still buying in a recession? You would think that 16% unemployment would crimp iPhone sales somewhat. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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In science, it is the objective truth that matters more than the subjective. There, self-deception is not an advantage, but instead is a primary pitfall to guard against. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-07-23 at 18:21 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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iPhone, Mac sales lead Apple earnings rise Quote:
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Sep 2002
República de California
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ZeroHedge has been blogging about the "legal" scam that is High-Frequency Trading (HFT) for months now ... looks like some of the mainstream media are finally picking up the scent:
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LB pretends to consider the question for a moment, then replies robotically, "To the best of my knowledge, neither Goldman Sachs nor any other brokerage has used HFT to illegally manipulate the markets ... though I can`t be certain about the other brokerages, since I don`t have access to their trading software." (And mentally appends a "...yet" to his reply). Seriously, in their latest earnings report, GS reported an average value-at-risk (VAR) of $275 million, and an average profit on that VAR of $100 million per trading DAY from their proprietary trading operations. You do the math. The article continues with a nice example of HFT in action ... tell me if this doesn`t amount to a form of market-rigging: Quote:
To use (entirely apt, IMO) casino analogy: HFT is as if a Vegas casino allowed wealthy gamblers to get a peek at all the cards being dealt to the other players at a blackjack table in exchange for a fee. Wall Street has always been a casino, and now here is crystal-clear proof that the casino is actively being rigged to benefit the large investment banks, who can afford both the HFT fee (where I come from we call that a "bribe") and the computer equipment and exchange-adjoining real estate in which to house it so as to minimize latency. And they say Bernie Madoff was crooked... Friday Funny ZeroHedge has a hilarious spoof of the CNBC.com website front page. They also have a slightly less-funny Open Letter To the Financial Media. Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2009-07-24 at 20:03 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Sep 2002
República de California
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"That's what happens when the exchanges collude with the big investment banks to rig the markets in the IB's favor" is more apt. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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That's like what happens when homo sapiens investorensis competes with a cyborg.
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