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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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Garo,
If you run the numbers, the apparent unemployment is now 17%. I can make a pretty good argument that this number is still a bit low because of the way it is tallied. Regardless, we now have 1 in 5 Americans in the ranks of the jobless. Today we saw another round of banks closed. This takes us to 51 so far in 2009. You might ask yourself why Canada has had very few banking problems in this recession. The answer lies in the rules that the Canadian banks have to operate under. They are much more conservative and stringent than U.S. banking rules. Why can't we revise our banking structure similar to Canada? DarJones |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
22·691 Posts |
I agree completely that the figure of 17% may well be an underestimate. This is in part due to the ridiculous birth-death model used by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Mish at Global Economic Trend analysis has been writing about this for a while. http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogsp...ght-month.html
Why the US banks are not subject to the same rules as Canadian banks is due at least in part because of regulatory capture. The agencies that were supposed to regulate financial markets and banks began to see the interests of those they had to regulate as their own interests. In the meantime, while Ernst is away, a few more fistfights are brewing in the financial blogosphere. Taibbi had an excellent follow up to his earlier piece about the meltdown this time pointing the finger at Goldman. You can see the text of his article here: http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...2&pagenumber=1 Goldman replied by dismissing him as a "hysterical" conspiracy theorist to which he wrote a rebuttal. http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009...dman-a-chance/ And this just in, a TV interview: http://watch.bnn.ca/the-close/july-2...09/#clip189690 Of course you can't have him on CNBC so it is for the Canadians to provide him with a forum Meanwhile, those who have been following this thread know that Tyler Durden over at Zero Hedge has been posting on Goldman Sachs Program Trading Activities for a while.This has resulted in NYSE deciding to stop publishing Program Trading information http://www.zerohedge.com/node/11769 At the same time Tyler also wrote about a disclaimer for clients using some Goldman Sachs software which allows GS to monitor client trades in real time and potentially front-run them. http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/0...ero-hedge.html which again brought a response from GS. I think a major PR problem for GS is brewing which might actually get people to start investigating their activities seriously. Except that the people with the power to investigate them are invariable Goldman alums. Meanwhile Dennis Kneale of CNBC has picked a fight with all the financial bloggers of the world. He says the recession is over and only these negative bloggers are keeping the economy and our mood down. http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/0...nt-let-go.html Last fiddled with by garo on 2009-07-03 at 10:48 |
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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There are 3 significant drivers to our economy today.
1. Housing industry declines The housing industry continues to report price declines. The most recent data suggests an average U.S. wide decline just under 5% for the first quarter of 2009. While this is less rapid than the last quarter of 2008, there is still no end in site. Based on historic trends, we could see a further loss of about 20% U.S. wide with some locales losing as much as 80% more. Significantly weak markets include Detroit Michigan and most of Florida. 2. Unemployment (a function of general malaise in the manufacturing sector) Unemployment is currently running at about 17%. Official figures are about 9.5% but do not include several categories as per discussions above. The underlying cause of unemployment is an ongoing loss of manufacturing capacity triggered by the rapid loss of demand across most industries. 3. Energy market disfunction This is caused mostly by speculation. Money on a world wide basis is flowing into energy futures as people gamble on rising prices. Sudden drops hit as the broad economy suffers the effects of unemployment increases and other destabilizing concerns. The instability of the energy market will continue until the housing and unemployment situation stabilizes. This will take at least another year and full recovery may take 20 years or more. There is no way to accurately guess when the market will bottom. At this point, a decline of 20 to 25% is highly likely within the next 3 months. Can you say 6000 on the dow? Ignore the advice of the ballyhoo pundits, they will continue to talk about green shoots and recovery as the economy slides further down the drain. The reality is that this one will be the longest market decline since the great depression and before it is over, may be even worse DarJones |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
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unemployment numbers are in the news today with a report of a sharp drop in new claims for unemployment to 552,000 compared to the expected level of about 605,000. Just raw math says that is about 10% fewer claims than were expected. Now does this deserve the ballyhoo and whoopla in the headlines? I don't think so. The numbers are still 'seasonally adjusted' and they are still a MAJOR increase in overall unemployment. In fact, unemployment claims went up to 6.88 million an increase of about 9%.
We can anticipate ongoing job loss over at least the next year. There are no green shoots folks, there is no recovery on the horizon. There might be a glimmer in someones eye, but that is probably sun glinting off their bifocals. There are times I would love to boil media pun-ditz in oil for being stupid. Unfortunately, stupidity is not illegal. DarJones |
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Aug 2003
Snicker, AL
7·137 Posts |
GM emerged from bankruptcy today in one of the most startling changes imaginable. How so? Well, with the stroke of a pen, $100,000,000,000.00 in debt and equity was wiped out. A 101 year old company was trimmed and pruned into a ghost of its former self. If you happen to be one of the unlucky stock owners, you now have worthless pieces of paper to paste on your walls.
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Aug 2002
Termonfeckin, IE
22·691 Posts |
Expect to see many more of these events in the coming years.
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Such things are better carried-out promptly rather than dragged-on.
- - This morning's Milwaukee Journal Sentinel headline article is about lenders abandoning foreclosures -- that is, after getting a foreclosure judgment, sometimes a lender will decide it doesn't want to take ownership of the property after all. This may lead to the following sequence: lender gets foreclosure judgment and sends notice to the homeowner, homeowner figures he's going to lose the house, stops taking care of it, and moves out, lender changes mind, doesn't follow-through by taking ownership, and (just to be nasty) never notifies the homeowner that they are abandoning foreclosure and that the homeowner still owns the house, the vacant house becomes vandalized and/or stripped of fixtures, eventually the still-homeowner finds out he's still responsible for taxes, upkeep and mortgage on his abandoned house, plus even the demolition cost if it has been bulldozed. So, "walkaway" can now be performed by either party -- the homeowner before foreclosure notice, or the lender after suing for foreclosure, but failing to take title. From my paper today: Quote:
"Lenders abandoning foreclosed properties" http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/wat.../50548282.html Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-07-12 at 19:18 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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"GOP unifies against any more stimulus spending"
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090713/..._obama_economy Well, of course -- Republican leaders have proudly and publicly declared that they want Obama to fail. They're complaining that the current stimulus plan has "failed" because it hasn't had enough effect -- hasn't turned the economy around on a dime. (Of course, they want you to forget that excessive conservative laissez-faire toward derivatives is what got us here in the first place.) They complain that not enough of the existing stimulus money has been spent already. So, it naturally follows that they'd want to spend more stimulus money sooner ... uh, that is, block any more stimulus money from being spent ... yeah, that's it -- block any more stimulus. Mainstream economic wisdom is that the reason the Great Depression dragged on so long is that there was not enough of a government-sponsored stimulus. I've recently seen conservatives maintain that the reason the Great Depression was so long is that there was too much spending, and proudly point to the fact that it took World War 2 to end it. But, as others besides me have pointed out, it was precisely the vastly expanded government spending for war preparation as WW2 got going that finally got our economy thriving again!!! Some conservatives would love to see our economic recession drag on and on, purely for political purposes. They also will keep beating the anti-Obama drums as long and as loudly as they can. ... because conservative think tanks figured out in the 1970s that in order to regain political power after the Watergate debacle, conservatives would have to abandon some of their previously-held economic principles such as balancing the budget, incessantly call for tax cuts to redistribute wealth from the lower- and middle-income families to the upper-income families (and -- bonus! -- be able to yell the simplistic cry "They're raising taxes!" over and over again during all Democratic attempts to regain fiscal balance and responsibility by simply restoring taxes to their pre-unsound-cut levels), and adopt certain rhetorical "framing". This disgusts me. It preys upon the public's general low level of economic understanding (rather than trying to improve it), and it's fundamentally dishonest. I know that there are many conservatives who have not abandoned the pre-1970s economic principles, but they have not held power within the GOP for thirty years. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-07-13 at 05:11 |
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Sep 2002
República de California
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--- "Confused" Investors bid up GM Common Stock A Stock With Bounce: Investors Stick to G.M. Quote:
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∂2ω=0
Sep 2002
República de California
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With USA in a recession, rural Mexico feels the pain Quote:
The market permaBulls found their Green Shoot of the day in the better-than-expected Intel earnings ... maybe a lot of those recently and soon-to-be-unemployed folks are buying laptop PCs to allow them to continue online job searching once they've been evicted from their homes. ;) (Less facetiously, Karl Denninger's dissection of the Intel earnings report is here - his takeaway is that Intel beat based on aggressive cost-cutting and a one-time China stimulus bounce, but nothing in the earnings report points to an economic recovery scenario). Computer giants Intel and Dell gave wildly divergent guidance, Intel was bullish and Dell was bearish. 3 guesses as to which of the 2 got ignored by the party crowd at the Wall street trading desks. The ever-enlightening ZeroHedge reader known as RoboTrader gives his hilarious (and quite insightful) take on today`s cocaine-binge market action: ZeroHedge: Stop Trading! Quote:
Credit-Market Rally Reverses as Investors Question Whether Growth Reviving: The record credit-market rally of 2009 engineered by President Barack Obama and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke is starting to reverse as optimism erodes that the economy is poised to recover. My Comment: "Engineered" being the operative word, since there is absolutely no "natural" reason for a revival of the credit markets in the absence of any tangible macro-economic rebound. "Slowing contraction" != growth. ...And in consumer-finance news, the U.S. is officially a nation of credit deadbeats (big surprise there, eh?): Quote:
Last fiddled with by ewmayer on 2009-07-15 at 21:05 |
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