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"Tim Sorbera"
Aug 2006
San Antonio, TX USA
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(due to length limitations, instead of having the giant number here, I'm just going to link to its page at the FactorDB, and replace it throughout with 'm')
m is chosen as the odd number such that 2^21954+77899=m*2^n-1. m=(2^21954+77900)/4 Code:
2^21954+77899=m*2^2-1 Here's what PFGW does with it, with this command: "-qm*2^2-1 -tp" Code:
PFGW Version 3.3.1.20100111.Win_Dev [GWNUM 25.13] Primality testing m*2^2-1 [N+1, Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge] Running N+1 test using discriminant 5, base 1+sqrt(5) Generic modular reduction using generic reduction FFT length 2048 on 2^21954+77899 Calling Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge with factored part 0.28% m*2^2-1 is Lucas PRP! (9.3029s+0.0805s) Done. Quote:
So you can trade a difficult primality test for an easy one in addition to a difficult factoring. It is MUCH easier to do a primality test on a number with thousands of digits than to try to factor a number with thousands of digits. With current hardware and methods, and without extraordinary luck, it's basically impossible to factor m. Last fiddled with by TimSorbet on 2010-03-01 at 16:32 |
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"Serge"
Mar 2008
San Diego, Calif.
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Kenneth-
In addition to what Tim wrote, I can add that for some special forms we can use the "helper" primes. One of the larger examples that I found last summer was a 9016-digit PRP N = (52*10^9015-43)/9 = 57777...77773 (many sevens in the middle). Why is that? That's because N-1 factors to slightly more than 33.33%. The rich collection of repunits is studied fairly well, and it turns out that N-1 = (52*10^9015-43)/9 -1 = = (52*10^9015-52)/9 = = 2^2*13*(10^9015-1)/9 = = 2^2*13*(10^3005-1)/9 * c6011 But (10^3005-1)/9 happens to be fully factored (which is lucky! because this is 33.33% of the N-1). After proving primality of the 2379-digit cofactor with Primo, I provided these and a few small prime factors from the 6011-digit cofactor in a helper file, and voila - a proof by PFGW with 33.62% factored part. All less than in a day (including Primo). Primality testing (52*10^9015-43)/9 [N-1/N+1, Brillhart-Lehmer-Selfridge] Reading factors from helper file ../h9015 Running N-1 test using base 2 Running N+1 test using discriminant 5, base 5+sqrt(5) Calling N-1 BLS with factored part 33.62% and helper 0.05% (100.92% proof) (52*10^9015-43)/9 is prime! (27.5956s+0.0014s) There are much more elegant examples (see openpfgw yahoo group), but this is one is very simple to tell in one paragraph. (not bragging; this is not a very large number) See PFGW's manual about the helper file. -Serge |
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"Phil"
Sep 2002
Tracktown, U.S.A.
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A followup on the notice from Wilfrid Keller:
He has now confirmed that all primes (or prps) up to 261792+21661 are indeed the smallest in their respective sequences, and has tested the remaining sequences out to n = 42000. I have independently confirmed all of his findings, and continued up to 2551542+19249. This leaves only the six largest probable primes not confirmed to be the smallest in their sequences, so I will slowly continue this project. We did find one more error on Payam Samidoost's webpage, the prime 21622+32449 was apparently missed, as the prime listed for that sequence was 21814+32449. Given that 21885+29777 was also missed, but later discovered, I suspect some errors in early versions of pfgw. Mark assures me that error checking is much more robust in the current version. Samidoost's webpage has disappeared, but I replaced the link with the cached version of Neil Sloane's: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/se.../a076336c.html I intend to prepare a file of Sloane sequence A067760 as far as (78557-1)/2soon and upload it to the Forum. |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Phase 1:TEST 200 (9879 digits left, 70 days to go) Phase 2:TEST 1-159 done. Last fiddled with by Cybertronic on 2010-03-15 at 18:38 |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Phase 1:TEST 250 (9365 digits left, 60 days to go) Phase 2:TEST 1-209 done. |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Happy easter !
Now I'm below 30000 bits ! 60% done.
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Status:
Phase 1 TEST 300, 8895 digits left, 46 days left Phase 2 252 TESTs done Next report at TEST 400 in 14 days |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Phase 1 TEST 400, 8032 digits left, 32 days left Phase 2 345 TESTs done Next report at TEST 600 at May, 7th Last fiddled with by Cybertronic on 2010-04-20 at 10:36 |
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Jan 2007
Germany
3·239 Posts |
So people , new status.. not 600, but 566
![]() Phase 1 at TEST 566 (6699 digits left) Phase 2 TESTs 1-499 done. May, 25th was calculated ... then the certificate is available. Last fiddled with by Cybertronic on 2010-05-07 at 17:57 |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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Phase 1 at TEST 800, 4916 digits left Phase 2 1-720 done Signing points 1-684 complete |
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Jan 2007
Germany
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