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Old 2008-07-29, 00:04   #12
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Didn't find any others < 10^12.

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Shall we say "sort of nearly prime", then? Or mayhap, "Aspiring to primality but not quite there yet?"

Suggest we unleash the mighty Raman on the complete-factorization effort of this one.
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Old 2008-07-29, 07:48   #13
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has anyone tried any p-1 yet
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Old 2008-07-29, 08:02   #14
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Shall we say "sort of nearly prime", then? Or mayhap, "Aspiring to primality but not quite there yet?"

Suggest we unleash the mighty Raman on the complete-factorization effort of this one.
With 3 as a factor I would say its as far from prime as an odd number can be?
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With 3 as a factor I would say its as far from prime as an odd number can be?
Depends on how ones defines "far from prime"ness - I could argue that if it has only a few small factors and one very large [say > 90% the size of the original number] prime cofactor, it's "nearly prime". Think of finding a chunk of gold-bearing rock with 90% gold content - it's "nearly pure gold".

Raman-the Spaman, how's that SNFS polynomial selection coming? Don't keep us on tenterhooks, man - no time to be wasted!
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[say > 90% the size of the original number]
If a factor was >90% the size of the original number, wouldn't the original number divided by the factor be between 1 and 2? Perhaps > 90% the size of the square root of the original number (i.e. almost as large as a factor can possibly be).
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And if there is only one VERY LARGE remaining prime factor then it will be the largest prime every found

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the remaining number could in theory be prime
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If a factor was >90% the size of the original number, wouldn't the original number divided by the factor be between 1 and 2? Perhaps > 90% the size of the square root of the original number (i.e. almost as large as a factor can possibly be).
Uh, I think you mean the square root is as large as the *smallest* prime factor can possibly be. I mean 90% in terms of logarithmic factor size [roughly = number of digits for large factors], e.g. consider the complete factorization of the 11th Fermat number:

F11 = 319489 . 974849 . 167988556341760475137 . 3560841906445833920513 . P564

There, the 4 small factors sum to 55 digits (thus their product must have <= this many digits), so the large cofactor satisfies the "> 90%" criterion. Thus, I assert that according to this criterion, F11 is "nearly prime".
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the remaining number could in theory be prime
Indeed. And all you have to do to claim the EFF prize is factor the number!
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Indeed. And all you have to do to claim the EFF prize is factor the number!
Exactly - why do you think I'm so eager to see "our man in Calcutta", the mighty Raman, get started on the SNFS?
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