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Old 2021-10-13, 17:13   #67
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I have little doubt that the reverse is true.
I agree to a draw.
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Old 2021-10-13, 19:47   #68
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Do you know what a Rorschach test is?
Pete Conrad knew about them:
https://vintagespace.wordpress.com/2011/11/14/vintage-space-fun-fact-rorschach-tests/
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Old 2021-10-13, 21:36   #69
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Do you know what a Rorschach test is?
The test is of what "ink blots" appear to represent, according to a test subject.

The "ink blots" are nonrepresentational images. Thus, they are incapable of explanation. Whence, they are alien artifacts.
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Old 2021-10-13, 21:45   #70
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Better not to mix everything up.
Blots are random things that generally mean nothing. The person being tested fills them with his own meaning.

And artifacts are not at all random things. Someone once made them somehow. And in the 21st century you have no idea who, when and how.
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Old 2021-10-14, 00:38   #71
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Insects are meat. Mice are meat. Shrimps are meat. Our digestive tract enzymes are evolved to process meat.

Some carnivores use other, larger, carnivores to open up carcasses.

Technology is useful (e.g. otters using stones to crack shellfish) but not necessary.
There is no doubt that at least some humans have been consuming meat for millennia if not for millions of years as indicated by our K9 teeth and cave drawings of game animals. But even eating ants requires extra-anatomic tools say a twig for example. The point is anatomically we are equipped to eat fruits, seeds and vegetation. Like cows we are not designed by nature to consume cattle (even though most but not all our ancestors have).

Here is a bit of relevant Persian mythology. For the sake of others, Ahriman is the equivalency of the Devil:

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Ahriman then presents himself to Zahhāk as a marvelous cook. After he presents Zahhāk with many days of sumptuous feasts (introducing meat to the formerly vegetarian human cuisine), Zahhāk is willing to give Ahriman whatever he wants. Ahriman merely asks to kiss Zahhāk on his two shoulders, and Zahhāk permits this. Ahriman places his lips upon Zahhāk's shoulders and suddenly disappears. At once, two black snakes grow from Zahhāk's shoulders. They cannot be surgically removed, as another snake grows to replace one that has been severed. Ahriman appears to Zahhāk in the form of a skilled physician. He counsels Zahhāk that attempting to remove the snakes is fruitless, and that the only means of soothing the snakes and preventing them from killing him is to sate their hunger by supplying them with a stew made from two human brains every day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahhak

So it has not been just the Hindus.

ETA: These animals are anatomically equipped to eat ants, no twigs required:

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Physical characteristics

All anteaters have elongated snouts equipped with a thin tongue that can be extended to a length greater than the length of the head; their tube-shaped mouths have lips but no teeth. They use their large, curved foreclaws to tear open ant and termite mounds and for defense, while their dense and long fur protects them from attacks from the insects. All species except the giant anteater have a long prehensile tail.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anteater

Here is a relevant anatomic evolution/trend resulting from Hunter-Gatherers taking up farming:

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The diet of the hunter-gatherer was based on "hard" foods like wild uncooked vegetables and meat, while the staple diet of the sedentary farmer is based on "soft" cooked or processed foods like cereals and legumes. With soft cooked foods there is less of a requirement for chewing which in turn lessens the size of the jaws but without a corresponding reduction in the dimensions of the teeth, there is no adequate space in the jaws and this often results in malocclusion and dental crowding.

The link between chewing, diet, and related dental wear patterns is well known in the scientific literature. Today, malocclusion and dental crowding affects around one in five people in modern-world populations. The condition has been described as the "malady of civilization."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0204144653.htm

The take away here is you can deduce the natural food for different species by their anatomy.


ETA II: Native American Vegetarian tribes:

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More tribes were like the Choctaws than were different. Aztec, Mayan, and Zapotec children in olden times ate 100% vegetarian diets until at least the age of ten years old. The primary food was cereal, especially varieties of corn. Such a diet was believed to make the child strong and disease resistant. (The Spaniards were amazed to discover that these Indians had twice the life-span they did.) A totally vegetarian diet also insured that the children would retain a life-long love of grains, and thus, live a healthier life. Even today, the Indian healers of those tribes are likely to advise the sick to "return to the arms of Mother Corn" in order to get well. Such a return might include eating a lot of atole. (The easiest way to make atole is to simmer commercially produced masa harina corn flour with water. Then flavor it with chocolate or cinnamon, and sweeten to taste.) Atole is considered a sacred food.
http://www.ivu.org/history/native_americans.html

No mention of Vitamin B12 deficiency here.

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http://www.ivu.org/history/native_americans.html

No mention of Vitamin B12 deficiency here.
No mention of chapulines, either...
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Old 2021-10-14, 07:54   #73
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It is interesting to study to what extent mathematical abilities are influenced by specific diets.
For instance, Ramanujan was a strict vegetarian contrary to Gauß.
In the past, vegetarians were called Pythagoreans...
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Old 2021-10-14, 09:21   #74
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In general, diet has a significant impact on overall well-being and health. The quality of metabolism, the tone of the body, including the mind, depends on what we eat.
But before you start experimenting with diets, you need to seriously concern yourself with the quality of drinking water.
Since we consume an average of 3 liters per day throughout our adult life. Therefore, the water quality factor is multiplicative. And even a slight change in its quality (purity), in view of the extreme regularity of its use, acquires significant weight.
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A distinction should be made between gymnosperms and angiosperms.
Why?

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I very much doubt that 100 of those state that you are a pescetarian but I am very willing to be proved wrong if you were to give a list of them
Fcuk man! Don't tempt him!
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Why?
Because gymnosperms appeared on the evolutionary scene much earlier than angiosperms and they did not have a fruiting shell. Gymnosperms used various elements to spread their seeds - wind, river, etc.
The fruit coat of angiosperms appeared much later and its main purpose is to attract animal to seeds logistics.
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