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Old 2021-10-12, 22:21   #34
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This is a great construction that can explain everything.

It is unimportant that something provides benefits for the survival and growth of the population. The main thing is necessary or not.
I can say that I don't understand a single word of what you wrote (in the context of the words around it).

Could you explain, what you meant, and perhaps use a few more words?
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Old 2021-10-12, 23:53   #35
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In Minnesota, people start to put on sweaters when the temps hit minus 50 degrees.
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No, Minnesota, not Winterpeg.
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Old 2021-10-13, 00:56   #37
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Why did human start walking on two legs. If this gives the advantage of using hands, then isn't this advantage universal for all other species?
Why, of all primates, only man has articulate speech?
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Evolutionary changes don't happen because they might potentially be advantageous. AFAIK they simply happen. Why are we humans capable of articulate speech while other primates aren't? Just lucky, I guess.

Why is articulate speech such a great advantage to us? IMO it is only because it showed up in ancestors who were already mentally capable of creating and understanding spoken language. For all I know, earlier primates might have started down the anatomical road to articulate speech, but their mental capabilities didn't allow them to use it to advantage, so it didn't persist in them.

A number of bird species can "talk," after all, in the sense of mimicking human speech, but AFAIK they do not understand human spoken language. At least some birds do use mimicry to advantage. IMO if birds were capable of using spoken language as we use it, we'd be in trouble!
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Old 2021-10-13, 09:40   #38
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At least some birds do use mimicry to advantage.
We had a bird in our hose that was able to quiet down a dog in the next room by imitating the owner of the dog giving the dog the command to shut up.
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Old 2021-10-13, 09:56   #39
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As you can see, the ability to articulately repeat words after a person did not allow parrots to create technologies that could transfer them to other planets.
Apparently, one more component is required for speech - a developed brain.
Speech, brain, upright posture, ... - certainly a person is just lucky.

I'm going to buy a lottery ticket :)
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Anatomically we are primates. Sure, chimps enjoy occasional snacks of birds, but most primates are primarily vegetarian. With few exceptions such as k9 teeth, we are anatomically equipped to eat fruits, nuts and vegetation. Eating meat requires extra-anatomical processing such as skinning and cooking (for humans).
Just try to eat a cow or a sheep next time you see one without the use of any tools.
Insects are meat. Mice are meat. Shrimps are meat. Our digestive tract enzymes are evolved to process meat.

Some carnivores use other, larger, carnivores to open up carcasses.

Technology is useful (e.g. otters using stones to crack shellfish) but not necessary.
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A number of bird species can "talk," after all, in the sense of mimicking human speech, but AFAIK they do not understand human spoken language. At least some birds do use mimicry to advantage. IMO if birds were capable of using spoken language as we use it, we'd be in trouble!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_%28parrot%29
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Insects are meat. Mice are meat. Shrimps are meat. Our digestive tract enzymes are evolved to process meat.

Some carnivores use other, larger, carnivores to open up carcasses.

Technology is useful (e.g. otters using stones to crack shellfish) but not necessary.
Insects are similar to shrimps. But shrimps are seafood. Therefore, insects are not really meat.
On religious days of strict fasting, when you can't even eat fish, you can eat shrimps.

There are several forms of asceticism in nutrition.
1. Avoiding red meat or mammalian meat.
2. Refusal from warm-blooded meat is essentially 1) + refusal from poultry meat. The use of the seafood is allowed.
3. Vegetarianism. Vegetarianism allows the consumption of eggs, dairy products, honey.
4. Vegan - no animal products are allowed.
5. Raw food - no processing of food is allowed.
6. Fruitarianism - eating only fruits.
7. There is a form of fruitarianism, when you can only eat fruits that have fallen from the tree on their own.
8. ...
... Inedia - everything is complicated, it is better to read here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia

I have been in a balance between 2..3..4 for many years now.

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Insects are similar to shrimps. But shrimps are seafood. Therefore, insects are not really meat.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/meat 1.b
he edible part of something as distinguished from its covering (such as a husk or shell)
2
animal tissue considered especially as food:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/meat 1
Meat is flesh taken from a dead animal that people cook and eat.
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Insects are similar to shrimps. But shrimps are seafood. Therefore, insects are not really meat.
This is a non sequitur straight out of the Twilight Zone.
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On religious days of strict fasting, when you can't even eat fish, you can eat shrimps.
That depends on your religion. If you're Jewish, shrimp is definitely off the menu.

In fairness, most insects are also, with the exceptions of crickets, katydids, grasshoppers and locusts. John the Baptist ate honey and locusts.
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